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- From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
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- Subject: Re: O.R. protest against homosexuals on CSPAN
- Message-ID: <1993Jan23.003658.21608@s1.gov>
- Date: 23 Jan 93 00:36:58 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan22.171126.11425@noao.edu> forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
- >From article <C0xMKq.AsE.1@cs.cmu.edu>, by garvin+@cs.cmu.edu (Susan Garvin):
-
- [C.J.Silverio: Randall Terry and the Pope agree on birth
- control and abortion, and therefore the two have a lot in common.]
-
- : I can think of a lot of other similarities between Terry and the
- : pope. Both are misogynists, both are homophobes, both delight
- : in giving advice on subjects about which they know nothing, and
- : both teach their folowers to hate.
- >
- >You have not shown _any_ of these to be the case with either man.
- >Care to try?
-
- They themselves would probably (1) deny all these things and
- (2) present some of these things as virtues, such as "hating evil",
- and "rejecting perversion" and "putting women in their proper place".
- All at the same time, of course.
-
- : (Thanks to Suzanne for illustrating
- : this last similarity so well.)
- >
- >Please explain to me how avoiding contraception or abortion is "hateful"?
- >Unless living a successful, self-determined, life without them makes
- >_other_ people resentful and envious.
-
- It's not the rejection of abortion and contraception that seem
- hateful, it's just that Suzzy looks down on both those things, and
- does so in a very hostile way. And it is not only those things; she
- also blasts alternative sexual activities, like masturbation, which
- she has called "useless".
-
- ...I assure you, that is not _my_
- >problem. As you well know, I have posted many times where and how
- >other people can learn to live successful, self-determined, lives
- >without messing their bodies up with contraceptives or slaughtering
- >their children with abortion.
-
- Exactly my point about Suzzy.
-
- I would like to add that I have nothing against a life of
- celibacy, even celibate marriage, if one has no desire to practice any
- form of sex. I don't consider asexuality a sin.
-
- I note in connection with this that there is the Catholic
- tradition of the perpetual virginity of Mary, which implies that
- Joseph never had sex with her, and that JC's brothers, mentioned in
- the Bible, were really half-brothers from another marriage. In the
- Middle Ages, a celibate marriage was actually called a Josephite
- marriage, as if it was some kind of ideal.
-
- --
- /Loren Petrich, the Master Blaster
- /lip@s1.gov
-