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- From: chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman)
- Subject: Nyikos, Apologies and Humble Pie
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- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 20:54:37 GMT
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- nyikos@milo.math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- > chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
- >> nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
- >>> chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman) writes:
-
- > Have you eaten any crow, or humble pie, ever? Someone once told me
- > it was nourishing. If you could post just one example, it would do
- > wonders for your credibility where I am concerned.
-
- I'm not responding to this because I believe that my credibility needs
- redeeming. I'm answering because, in the context of your other articles
- that appeared on my screen today, there's an interesting point to be made.
-
- Yes, Peter, I have eaten crow and humble pie in this forum. Last spring,
- I saw an article from Michael Moore describing the Catholic Church's
- position wrt abortions. According to Mr. Moore, even abortions to save
- the life of the mother are sins and should be proscribed. Now I hadn't
- seen any of Mr. Moore's articles before, and his article seemed to indicate
- that he supported that position. Needless to say, I went ballistic and
- flamed him with the sharpest language I could muster, letting him know in
- no uncertain terms that I would do all in my power to thwart a philosophy
- so hostile to my wife, my daughter and other women in my life.
-
- Later that day, I read subsequent posts from Mr. Moore, where he revealed
- that not only did he _not_ support the Catholic Church's position, he had
- left the Church and was indeed a pro-choicer! I wasted no time writing
- an article apologizing to Mr. Moore. I posted it under the title, "Apology
- to Michael Moore," and emailed him a copy to make sure he saw it. He
- never acknowledged the apology, but that's his perogative. I also included
- all other t.a readers in my apology; I was sure many of them were
- disappointed by my lack of forbearance.
-
- Now, let's put this in context.
-
- From another article, Peter and I have the following exchange:
-
- >> Pot, kettle, black, Perfesser. I didn't read all of your 75 freaking
- >> articles, but of the ones I did read, most of the content dealt with
- >> your inability to understand and get along with other t.a participants.
-
- > I understand them all too well. Hence their inability to get along with me.
-
- >> Btw, your apology to Ms. Regard is long overdue.
-
- > I don't apologize for things I don't do.
-
-
- Perhaps you should reconsider.
-
- Did you not write the following Subject: line ?
-
- *** Subject: A forgery by Adrienne Regard?!?!?!?!? (was: Stipu..)
-
- And did you not write the following?
-
- *** I mean, your forgery, if it could be called that, is so transparently
- *** obvious to anyone who has been on this net seven weeks, let alone
- *** seven years, that you must be joking, and must be counting on everyone
- *** else who is not a clueless newbie know you are joking.
-
- *** I do, however, think you owe all the clueless newbies an apology.
-
- Now before you get all huffy about pulling quotes out of context, remember
- that James Keegan reposted the entire article today, so it's quite easy
- for other readers to see what happened.
-
-
- From another article of yours today:
-
- > I do not apologize for things I have not done. The reason Susan Garvin
- > and Keegan are so insistent that I apologize is that they can then say
- > forevermore that I admitted to libeling Adrienne.
-
- How do you know? They're saying that you libeled Adrienne right now, and
- they are right. Is that so much preferable?
-
- > That goes for you, too, Adrienne. You weren't born yesterday,
- > and neither was I.
-
- > Having once been burned by the old SAT trap, I am not about to
- > fall into an infinitely worse one.
-
- I have been participating here for well over a year now, and I haven't
- seen anybody's sincere apology treated with the kind of scorn you seem
- to anticipate.
-
- > Actually, I am so naive that I only figured this out a month after
- > all these bandwidth-wasting repetitions were going full blast. What
- > saved me from the trap was my basic sense of honesty and fair play.
- > I know I am innocent of charging Adrienne with forgery. I *am*
- > guilty of having suggested the possibility that Adrienne was guilty
- > of it. But that is all.
-
- From what we've seen you post in the past, "suggesting the possiblity"
- IS accusing. It is what you do, Nyikos, and it's a prime reason why
- hardly anyone believes you.
-
- --
- Chris Lyman / email: chrisl@pwcs.stpaul.gov / Disclaimer: I said WHAT?
- "If you wants to get elected president, you'se got to think up some
- memoraboble homily so's school kids can be pestered into memorizin'
- it, even if they don't know what it means." -- Walt Kelly, "Pogo"
-