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- From: cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb)
- Subject: Re: Spoken Like a True ProLifer
- References: <JBATES.93Jan12211615@pinocchio.encore.com>
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- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 15:02:31 GMT
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- In <1993Jan17.021227.12102@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark
- A. Cochran) writes:
-
- >In article <1993Jan15.072510.10106@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.IBM.com
- writes:
- >>In <1993Jan15.012449.8814@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
- sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu (Stephen Matheson) writes:
- >>>From article <JBATES.93Jan12211615@pinocchio.encore.com>,
- >>>by jbates@encore.com (John W. Bates):
- >>>
- >>>> The thing is, just because neonates would not be considered persons does
- >>>> not imply that infanticide is justifiable. It is entirely possible, and
- >>>> in fact common, to protect with the force of law things which are not
- >>>> necessarily persons or the property of persons. I would hold that as
- >>>> developing humans, neonates are worthy of protection, even if it can
- >>>> be shown that they do not fit some definition of personhood.
- >>>
- >>>Agreed. Then we'd have to decide how to protect neonates while not
- >>>protecting fetuses while not protecting embryos.
- >>
- >>We protect them by legally declaring them persons at birth, even if they
- don't
- >>yet qualify for a definition of personhood which requires a certain level of
- >>consciousness. The moral difference, of course, is that they are no longer
- >>inside a person, and violating her right to bodily autonomy if she doesn't
- want
- >>to have a fetus inside her.
-
- >And on a simply pragmatic level, any woman who goes through the
- >trouble of giving birth has pretty well established that she wanted to
- >give birth (and before DODie brings it up, I'll make exceptions right
- >now for certain persons who would be better off in psychiatric
- >treatment then in a delivery room). This assumes, of course, that she
- >wasn't the victim of an OR blockade of her body.
-
- >--
- > Mark Cochran merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu
- >These are the views of my employer, your employer, your government, the
- >Church of your choice, and the Ghost of Elvis. So there.
- >Member, T.S.A.K.C.
-
- Could someone please explain why it is not "violating her [or his] right to
- bodily autonomy" when we kill the fetus?
-
- MAC
-
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