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From: [e-mail] (Richard Pitts)
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Subject: Re: Carol Everett
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Date: 22 Jan 93 14:43:00 GMT
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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
|In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Eric Rescorla) writes:
|>In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Gregory Bernath) writes:
|>>Carol Everett is coming to speak on our campus on Nov. 26.  I would
|>>be interested in any information about her.
|>>A little about her (claimed) background:
|>>   - worked in and ownded two abortion clinics from 1977 to 1983
|>Ok.

I just heard Carol on the radio yesterday and today.  She said that
she has been interviewed by many mainstream media groups, but todate
none of the mainstream has ever published what they learned.

Carol had, I believe, at least one abortion herself.

She has a new book out entitled _Blood Money_.

Some of the things she said were that today abortion providers (the
doctors) get 1/3 of the fee for 1st tri-mesters abortions and they
get 1/2 the fee for 2nd tri-mester abortions.

She as the owner of her clinics recieved $25/abortion and her last
monthly check was over $13,000 gross, which is almost 550 abortions
for the month.  In her book she tells about one abortion doctor
who makes $1,000,000/year.  She also said that in congressional
testimony, one doctor said that the system was very slack on taxes
and stuff - in fact he got paid cash at the end of the day and there
were no 1099 forms issued.

So much for abortions being non-profit - like Planned Parenthood
is chartered.  In fact, at the close of 1990, PP had $383,000,000
(three hundred and eighty-three million dollars) in cash, to my
understanding.

|>>   - one of her clinics busted for performing abortions on non-pregant
|>>     women, and for abortions performed by non-doctors.

Fifteen (15) states do not have regulations requiring the abortion
provider to be a doctor.

|>I see. I know you're not making an argument against abortion but
|>I see this sort of argument made commonly. The fact that there
|>are abortion clinics where fraud occurs is not particularly surprising
|>since fraud occurs in most businesses. I fail to see how this
|>can be used as an argument that abortion should be illegal.
|>I have never, however, seen the court records that substantiate
|>that anyone has ever been prosecuted for performing abortions on
|>non-pregnant women.

Just because there is not enough evidence to prosecute doesn't
mean the event isn't occurring.  Have you ever noticed how hard
it is to get evidence on other crimes - people hide the stuff.

|>As for abortions performed by non-doctors--I was not aware that
|>that was illegal. I know I've had a lot of medical care
|>(though not abortions, obviously) done for me   by nurses.

One point Carol made was that people have the misconception
that abortion is viewed by regulatory means just like any other
surgery, but she says it is not.  She claims that abortion is
one of the largest unregulated businesses in the US.

|Abortion is a surgical procedure performed only by licensed phsycians
|(legally). It is certainly beyond the scope of practice for nurses,
|and is beyond the scope of practice for Physicians Assistants and
|Nurse Pracitioners in every state for which I have seen the practice
|acts.

Again 15 states don't have this legislated.

|>>   - 20 women (out of 35,000 abortions) "maimed or killed"
|>That would be surprising, since the overall rate is something
|>like 1/100 major complications and 1-2/100000 deaths.
|>Were her doctors particularly incompetent or is she just being
|>VERY loose with the term "maimed or killed"

Carol said on the radio that she had one (1) death and, I think,
thirty-five (35) were maimed at her clinics.  I forget how many
abortions they provided.  However, the numbers she gave for
complications was that 1 in 500 had to have a hysterectomy or colostomy.

|Here we go again... I haven't posted the entire table here since some
|twit claimed a 27% infection rate for abortins, so I guess it's time
|to do it again....

Carol said that 25% of those who have abortions will have problems
with a subsequent pregnacy.

|Complication        D&C    Suction
|---------------------------------------
|Hemorrhage        1.0    0.5
|Infection        0.9    0.8
|Perforation        1.9    1.3
|Anesthesia        0.1    0.1
|Retained Products    0.5    0.5
|Lacerated Cervix    0.3    0.2
|All other complications    0.4    0.3
|----------------------------------------
|Total morbidity [1]    5.1    3.7
|Total Mortality [2]    2.8    1.2
|
|[1] Complications per 1000 abortions.
|[2] Deaths per 100,000 abortions.
|
|[Martin, LL: _Health Care of Women_ Philadelphia, JB Lippincott, 1978]

What was the result or corrective action required in this study?

Complications, according to Carol, are readily covered up and the
people are rushed out of the clinics and the records don't show
that the clinics are involved.  People are reluctant to say so
and so happened, while I was at the abortion clinic.

Sincerely,
Richard Pitts
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