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- From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
- Subject: Re: "No Statistics" does NOT mean "No Problem Exists," Larry!
- X-To: ADRIENNE REGARD
- Organization: The Zoo of Ids
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 04:00:00 GMT
- Message-ID: <1993Jan22.120619.1115@zooid.guild.org>
- Sender: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
- Lines: 83
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- regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes...
- >In article <1992Dec24.120032.1855@zooid.guild.org> goid@zooid.guild.org (Will S
- >eeves) writes:
- >>LM>[Steeves shows no evidence]
- >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ??
- >>Larry, do I really *need* "statistics"? Indeed, what kind of "statistics"
- >>did the early "Pro-Choice" activists use? There were no statistics made as
- >>to the number of women who were unwillingly pregnant, because the Powers
- >>That Be, didn't see it as a problem. So in those days, all that they could
- >>do, was marshal up personal stories from individual women.
-
- >Scuse, please, but not all of us buy your revisionist view of history.
-
- >Do you have any basis for your claim that pro-choice activists said anything
- >on the order of "do I really *need* 'statistics'?"
-
-
- Please do not misinterpret what I said. I did not say that they said
- anything on the order of the above, though I *did* say that it would
- have been difficult to prove their point, had they been asked to provide
- Officially Sanctioned Statistics to prove their point.
-
-
- >Or was it rather a case
- >at the time that BECAUSE of invalid and dangerous laws, valid statistics
- >were nearly impossible to come by?
-
- Ha! *I* could say the same thing about the situation TODAY! Just because
- the times serve your agenda *now*, does not mean that they will *always*
- do so...
-
-
- >But let me answer your question:
-
- >No, you, personally, Mr. Will Steeves, do not 'need' statistics. You will
- >not shrivel up and die tomorrow without statistics. However, GIVEN the bulk
- >of anecdotal evidence against your position, and your handful of anecdotal
-
- And need I remind you that there is a "bulk" of anecdotal evidence against
- *your* position as well?
-
-
- >evidence for your position, you *do* need statistics to convince any thinking
- >person that there is a real tangable human problem that your position address-
- >es and solves. Without such, anecdotal evidence alone makes your position
- >look pretty weak, and you aren't likely to make much headway.
-
- Okay fine, pay for a study and try to prove me wrong!
-
-
- >>I *have* shown *many* stories of individuals
- >>who have been forced to be parents. Is this not *enough* for you? Then, what
- >>is?
-
- >Ah, but others have *many* *many* stories of women and children who have been
- >promised support and then were DENIED it. And there *are* statistics of
- >the number of children who live in poverty, and the likelihood of one's
- >standard of living dropping below the poverty line without the financial
- >support of the father.
-
- >So, you get to draw your own conclusions, Will. So far, you aren't gathering
- >much support. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-
- Not from *you*, perhaps. And remember this - *your* agenda can't get much
- stronger, as it is already supported by a very large movement, ie., one
- new supporter won't make a hill of beans difference. However, with every
- new supporter on *our* side, we continue to grow in relative leaps and
- bounds. Also be aware that the National Coalition of Men is planning a
- court challenge against paternity suit laws. I don't expect to win the
- first major battle, any more than your side expected to win *its* first
- major battle, but even so, a defeat will still mean victory ; it will
- bring more publicity to bear.
-
- ---
- Will Steeves, goid@zooid.guild.org "Neil Hull is GOiD"
- ZOOiD BBS, Toronto, Ontario - The Zoo Of Ids "GOiDS Rule"
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- "Gravity: It's more than just a fragrance. It's the LAW!"
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-
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