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- From: riggs@descartes.tec.army.mil (Bill Riggs)
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- Subject: Re: Supreme Court Upholds Freedom of Speech
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- Date: 22 Jan 93 01:21:09 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan18.165516.5248@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan18.073014.28669@news.acns.nwu.edu> dmeier@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Douglas Meier) writes:
- >>In article <1993Jan16.060120.1218@Princeton.EDU> niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent) writes:
- >
- >>>As usual, you're wrong. Having a baby you don't want is a sign of
- >>>immaturity. Having an abortion *is* dealing with the consequences.
- >>>Just as having surgery after a car accident is dealing with the
- >>>consequences.
- >
- >>Would you consider carrying the unwanted pregnancy to term and then giving
- >>the child up for adoption an immature choice? I am truly curious on this
- >>point.
- >
- >No. Why would I?
- >
- >The only immature choice I see is carrying a pregnancy to term, and then
- >keeping a child you can't care for.
-
- I would probably cut Dave some slack here, except:
-
- 1. By HIS definition, it is physiologically impossible for him to
- ever be confronted with such a choice.
-
- 2. He just plain evaded the question. One can only say, by deduction,
- that he DOES consider a woman's taking the child to term and putting
- the child up for adoption to be a "mature choice". Why could he have
- just made a definitive question to that effect. I dunno, maybe it has
- something to do with maturity.
-
- >
- >As an aside, if so many of the right wing weren't adamantly opposed to
- >birth control, too, this debate would be much less important. Because
- >there is a *direct* inverse correlation between the availability of
- >birth control and the abortion rate.
-
- The only group of which I am aware that opposes contraception is
- the Roman Catholic Church. This hardly fits my definition, or that of most
- clear thinking people of "right wing". (For those of the reading population
- who lack Mr. Nieporent's firm grasp of the obvious, there are many practicing
- Catholics who are hardly right wing in their political orientation, and
- conversely, there are lots of other religious and areligious groups - I mean
- hard core atheists - who meet virtually all the criteria associated with
- the "right wing" where political, economic, and even social issues are
- concerned). Only extremists believe there is no middle ground between the
- legal and sanctioned use of contraceptives and handing out rubbers to high
- school students, free of charge. I know of lots of Protestants who disagree
- with premarital sex, but I have yet to meet the Protestant who believes
- that contraception is wrong within the bonds of matrimony. How does Nieporent's
- "direct inverse correlation" track across various ethnic and religious groups,
- anyway ?
-
- Bill R.
-
- This .sig is getting to be a habit with me, but it is the only one I've got,
- these days.
-
- --
-
- "When up a dangerous faction starts, "My opinions do not represent
- With wrath and vengeance in their hearts; those of my employer or
- By solemn League and Cov'nant bound, any government agency."
- To ruin, slaughter, and confound; - Bill Riggs (1992)
- To turn religion to a fable,
- And turn the Government to a Babel;
- Pervert the law, disgrace the gown,
- Corrupt the senate, rob the crown;
- To sacrifice old England's glory,
- And make her infamous in story.
- When such a tempest shook the land,
- How could unguarded virtue stand ?"
- - Jonathan Swift (1732)
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