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- From: cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion,talk.politics.misc,talk.religion.misc,misc.legal
- Subject: Re: So is Blockading a Bad Thing?
- Message-ID: <13962@optilink.COM>
- Date: 19 Jan 93 23:45:27 GMT
- References: <1993Jan18.200813.13028@wetware.com>
- Organization: Optilink Corporation, Petaluma, CA
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- In article <1993Jan18.200813.13028@wetware.com>, drieux@wetware.com (drieux, just drieux) writes:
- > cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
- # ] Even those of us who are pro-choice are pleased at the Supreme Court's
- # ] decision. There are actions which some pro-life extremists have
- # ] taken that might be fairly compared to the activities of the Klan --
- # ] say, bombing an abortion clinic, or engaging in harrassment of abortion
- # ] clinic employees at their homes. But demonstrations, picketing, and
- # ] prayer, are hardly equivalent to burning crosses, lynching blacks,
- # ] and using organized bodies of armed men to intimidate voters.
- # ]
- # ] The application of this statute towards peaceful pro-life demonstrators
- # ] is just another reminder that liberals believe in free speech only
- # ] when it suits their purposes.
- #
- # Let me see if I get your point....
- #
- # Its 'Freedom of Speach' to keep everyone from getting
- # into a 'clinic' and that allowing this 'freedom of speach'
- # is a good thing?????
-
- The problem is that the courts have shown a rather wide definition
- of what constitutes behavior that justifies bringing the federal
- government into the matter. When the ACLU starts to file RICO
- statutes, it should make you worry a little.
-
- # I Believe Clayton You have Missed the BOAT.
- #
- # The point of Discussion is NOT that of Limiting
- # OpResKrew from standing Peacefully and Protesting
- # that Others will do what they will not allow themselves
- # to do. But that OpResKrew Actively Engages in Denying
- # Access to Facilities that are engaging in Legal Activities.
-
- Rather like antiwar protesters. Some of us were disturbed by
- the Federal Gorilla pulling the stunts they did in the early
- 1970s -- having grand juries indicting the same activists all
- over the country, thus tying them up in court in many different
- places.
-
- # Likewise, there is the minor Matter of whether or not
- # it is a Federal Obligation to defend the CIVIL LIBERTIES
- # of the Citizenry from the Fanatical Lunatics who wish to
- # Deny the Free Access to engage in LEGAL ACTIVITIES.
- #
- # drieux
-
- Hmmm. Your argument is nearly identical to that advanced in
- the late 1850s by slave owners to justify the Fugitive Slave
- Law's application to the Rescuers of Oberlin. I'm not in
- agreement with the equation of slavery and abortion that the
- pro-life groups use, but it certainly should make some of the
- fanatics (like you) think just a bit, and consider the possibility
- that you MIGHT be wrong.
- --
- Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine!
- "When freedom destroys order, order will destroy freedom." -- Eric Hoffer
- Not a goal, just a statement of reality.
-