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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Re: Apology for insults
- Message-ID: <nyikos.727628936@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
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- Organization: USC Department of Computer Science
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- Date: 21 Jan 93 15:08:56 GMT
- Lines: 131
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- In <jhh3byn@rpi.edu> cookc@aix.rpi.edu (rocker) writes:
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- >nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
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- >>In <9ha3=ab@rpi.edu> cookc@aix.rpi.edu (rocker) writes:
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- >>>nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
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- >>>>In <am023-d@rpi.edu> cookc@aix.rpi.edu (rocker) writes:
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- >>>You are an idiot, "Nyikos".
-
- >>On the same basis on which Susan Garvin referred to Holtsinger as
-
- >>Doug "yer fat black ass" Holtsinger,
-
- >>I could call you "You are an idiot" rocker.
-
- >Sure you could. Knock your wee little self out. I certainly would never
- >ask for an apology, because I simply don't care enough about what you
- >say.
-
- Really? Then someone is using your address to e-mail me things. I think
- you should look into this: someone sent me a message asking me to stop
- glorifying the KKK by posting Chaney's .sig. Documentation on request
- but only to "rocker". [Best to e-mail me.]
-
- Legal/ethical question: if I provide the documentation to rocker, and
- she denies receiving it, and I provide it again with cc to Beth Bartley,
- and she thinks all this is too trivial to be worth acknowledging, do
- I have a right to post the documentation here?
-
- Or am I being anal-retentive by even bringing this matter up, Chris Lyman?
- Should I have just ignored rocker's insincere dig at me?
-
- >>>I said this after the ruckus about Patrick's original remark, and I'll
- >>>say it again. Apologies for offensive statements are between the
- >>>offender and offendee. You may demand an apology for yourself if
- >>>you were offended by the remark, you don't demand apologies for
- >>>someone else.
-
- >>And I do recall several pro-choicers, including Galen Hekhuis (after
- >>checking to see which way the wind blew) telling he should apologize
- >>for his "your fat black ass" remark to Chaney. Unless you have really
- >>fine-tuned your definition of the word "demand", you are in the unenviable
- >>position of implying that a bunch of your fellow pro-choicers are "idiots":
-
- >Oh please, "Nyikos", take a course in reading comprehension.
-
- It is you who seem to need one. Nothing you say below contradicts what I said
- above. If you dispute this, please explain how my saying "I am more
- certain than ever that you owe Chaney an apology" is a DEMAND, while
- the statements described below do not. And when doing it, please
- take note of the words "fine-tuned" above. If you just give us a lot
- of fine-tuning, you are wasting bandwidth.
-
- > And do
- >brush up a bit on your t.a history. I posted these EXACT sentiments
- >during the ORIGINAL ruckus, and I made no distinction on the basis of
- >philosophy. I castigated pro-choice and pro-"life" alike for
- >demanding apologies from Patrick AFTER he had already apologized to
- >the group at large.
-
- But he pointedly avoided apologizing to Chaney, even though he admitted
- that Chaney deserved it most of anybody. He said Chaney would have
- to go to see him in person to collect the apology "on a silver platter"
- and now it turns out that he would have had some law enforcement official
- take him away if he came to collect it.
-
- Some silver platter.
-
- >As for the "idiot" bit, you have exhibited a whole spectrum of
- >behaviors that led me to that conclusion about you. I don't call you
- >an idiot based solely on your tiresome and unwarranted demands for
- >apologies, Miss Net.Manners. So there is, in fact, NO implied
- >insult in a position that I hold in regard to public apologies.
-
- Can you exhibit one of the behaviors you allege I exhibited? Anyone
- can make claims like these against anyone; the trick is to back them
- up. As I am attempting to back up the claim that either (1) you care
- about what I say, to the point of e-mailing me or (2) your e-mail was
- insincere or (3) someone is using your e-mail to send asinine accusations
- to me.
-
- Go ahead and call me anal-retentive, Chris. And tell me: when you
- addressed me with the words, "Yo! Shit-fer-brains," were you being
- anal-retentive, or maybe suffering from diarrhea of the mouth?
-
- >>>You are an idiot, "Nyikos".
-
- >>Susan Garvin called Doug that, and me "PHoney `KKK' Nyikos" on the curious
- >>grounds that we used these terms more often than anyone else. This is
- >>debatable in my case because Elizabeth Bartley began a whole thread titled
- >>"KKKaldis Alert". At any rate, by this same criterion, it is arguable that
- >>you are
-
- >Is there any semantic content in the above paragraph?
-
- Let Beth Bartley be the judge of that.
-
- >>"You are an idiot" rocker.
-
- >Call me anything your little heart desires, "Nyikos".
-
- I call you a coward for not backing up your claim that Chaney
- initiated sexual innuendo with you prior to your saying
- "OOh little Chaney, I think you've had something `straight' for
- me..."
-
- ...after I said to Scott Safier, who continued your sexual
- innuendo, "Chaney did not initiate this line of talk. rocker did"
-
- and you said, "This statement is not correct,"
-
- and used this Holtsingerese comment as a basis for launching a
- powerful verbal barrage against me, a barrage which would have
- been meaningless had you acknowledged my statement as correct.
-
- It would have been as meaningless as your long paragraph about
- hacking, had you meant it to apply to me. You see, rocker, I couldn't
- hack if my life depended on it: I never took a course in computer
- science, and to this day I have to follow instructions to the letter
- just to use a computer for anything.
-
- Peter Nyikos
-
- PS Why do you keep putting my last name in quotes? Better I should
- call you "rocker" rather than rocker.
-
-
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-