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- From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
- Subject: Re: A Modest Proposal: Illegitimate-conception Tax
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- Kevin Darcy (kevin@rotag.mi.org) wrote:
- : In article <1993Jan17.163155.20964@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
- : >
- : >And who registers conceptions? Do men and women register their sex acts
- : >to the government when they occur?
- :
- : Every abortion, birth or miscarriage implies a conception; medical
- : professionals would be required to report these. There are certain to be
- : some "tax cheaters", sure, i.e. folks whose conceptions go unreported somehow.
- : There are tax cheaters now. But would tax cheating be a unmanageable problem?
- : Probably not.
-
- Just a well you don't try to register conceptions because a high proportion
- of blastaspheres fail to implant or do not produce the right balance of
- hormones to halt the menstral cycle.
-
- I think you would need a vary large number of inspectors.
-
- :
- : >Who determines the paternity of a fetus?
- :
- : There is no need to determine paternity while the fetus is still in the
- : process of gestation. It can be determined later, i.e. after abortion,
- : miscarriage or birth, and then tax payments can be retroactively applied.
-
- I can see civil libetys organisations objecting to this are you going to
- have genetic data stored on all your citizens. (remember the mother
- may well refuse to co-operate, unless saying who the father is has some
- benefit to her, even if it does it is possible that she may be mistaken
- or lying)
- :
- : >What happens when rich women have secret abortions outside the country,
- : >figuring the cost of a plane ticket to Canada is cheaper than paying
- : >a graduated income tax?
- : >
- : >For that matter, I easily see a black market of doctors in this country
- : >willing to give secret abortions.
- :
- : I.e. yet more forms of "tax cheating". I'm not saying that cheating won't
- : occur, just that the possibility of cheating, in and of itself, is not
- : sufficient reason to defeat a tax-based approach, unless the cheating is
- : absolutely trivial to do, which I don't think is the case here (requires an
- : overseas trip, or the necessity to find and induce an unethical doctor,
-
- depends if a doctors first loyalty is to their patient or to the state?
- Do they still take a hypocratic oath?
- :
- : Hmmm? The Tax is premised on marital status AT THE TIME OF CONCEPTION, Ted.
- : No economic incentive is given to marry _after_ conception occurs, which is
- : how I've always understand the term "shotgun marriage".
-
- But you have to prove what time conception occured, you could have marriages
- occuring on the posibility of conception. (or even people manipulating their
- lover into getting married on a claim of pregnancy)
-
- IMHO a very bad thing.
-
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