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- From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
- Subject: Re: adoption rules
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- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 18:40:20 GMT
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- peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
- >beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
- >
- >>peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes:
- >>>rlt@cbnewsl.cb.att.com (r l taylor) writes:
- >
- >>>>Likewise, does the child have a right to a relationship with both parents?
- >>>>If so, why should the mother be allowed to deny this relationship by keeping
- >>>>(or attempting to keep) the father uninformed of the child's existence?
- >>>
- >>>IMO that is a terriffic ideal. But there are some cases where this is
- >>>not appropriate. Such as where one parent is potentially abusive or
- >>>otherwise harmful.
- >
- >>Yes, but what makes you feel that the mother should have the sole
- >>right to make such a judgement?
- >
- >>If a child were one week old and the father *knew* the mother was abusive,
- >>would it be right for him to take the child and disappear and never
- >>permit the mother to see the child again -- or even to arrange an adoption
- >>without her permission or knowledge?
- >
- >>By proposing that mothers can give children up for adoption without
- >>permitting the father to be notified, you imply that it is alright
- >>for the *mother* to take such action.
- >
- >Don, you have a compelling argument here. What do you propose to
- >safeguard the father's right to stop an adoption, yet safeguard the
- >mother and the child in the cases where the mother feels that the
- >father is potentially abusive?
-
- IMO...
-
- A mother who feels that the father is potentially abusive
- (whatever that means -- "potentially"?) must declare that
- she wants the court to terminate the father's parental rights
- on the basis of abuse. The burden is on her to demonstrate
- that the father is abusive. The same standard should be used
- as in cases where children are taken by the State from a couple
- because of abuse. The father must be notified and given a chance
- to defend against the accusations.
-
- If the court terminates the father's parental rights, then the
- mother can place the child for adoption. If it does not, then
- if the mother places the child for adoption, the father should
- be awarded sole custody if he desires it.
-
-
- A mother +should+ be hindered from placing a child for adoption
- if a father has not been "identified." If the mother is concerned
- for the welfare of her child, she should make a stronger effort
- to identify the father. If she lies, she does so to the detriment
- of her child, and she must make that decision. If she can't identify
- him, she is the one responsible -- not the decent and innocent men and
- children who would be penalized by permitting a systematic misuse of power.
- Do, however, note my choice of words: "hindered." We should not
- streamline the termination of children's rights and fathers' rights
- out of a misguided desire to "rescue" children.
-
-
- I do not agree that a father should be denied knowledge of his children
- based on a mother's opinion or on a bureaucrat's findings. There is no
- system so perfect that the "criminality" of a person should be determined
- without that person having a defense. Even where children are involved.
- Placing a fascistic mechanism (for the presumed "best interests") in
- place of presumed innocence might "rescue" a few children from harm,
- but at the cost of robbing all children --and fathers-- of a guarantee
- to the fundamental rights of every person: to eat, to sleep under a roof,
- to receive the love freely given by one's parents, and to raise and love
- another generation.
-
- Now, Michal, what do *you* propose?
-
- Don
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