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- From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
- Subject: Re: Drunk Sex = Rape ? (was Re: Mysogynist
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- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 12:45:53 GMT
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- amy lynn young-leith (alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:
- : In article <1jjru2INN3kb@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> eisrael@klingon.East.Sun.COM writes:
- : >The problem is that this isn't always a safe bet. I've heard more than one
- : >"authority" on rape (including the head of the Women's Rape Counseling Center
- : >in D.C., whose name unfortunately escapes me) claim that a woman who realizes
- : >in the morning that she probably didn't want to have sex (or wouldn't have if
- : >she'd thought about it some more) has been raped. What this amounts to is
- : >the ability to retroactively rescind consent.
- :
- : But please remember that not all women think like one that you pick
- : out to use as an example of what a group may think.
-
- The problem is how to spot them?
- If rather than actually charging people with rape use it for blackmail, then
- it is less obvious.
-
- :
- : >This may mean that a perfectly well-meaning male may wake in the morning to
- : >find out that he's a rapist. As males already have the greater burden
- : >(culturally and perhaps biologically) for initiating sexual interludes and
- : >interpreting their partners' responses, this sort of thing obviously makes
- : >them a little uncomfortable.
- :
- : I can't understand the flak I've gotten in email about my opinions on
- : this. I doubt I'd get this much if I posted that I thought all men
- : were scum!! I don't think having sex with someone who consents is
- : rape just because they are drunk! The way I look at it, these
- : charges normally happen because 1)woman gets drunk. 2)Woman ends up
- : consenting to sex, WILLINGLY has intercourse. 3)Woman wakes up in the
- : morning and feels bad about what she's done, and foots off the
- : responsability by trying to call it rape. This is rediculous.
-
- The thing is that there are people who will agree with her (I would call them
- "treating the woman as a child"), these people are also loud and backed up
- by more than a few lawyers and cops.
-
- :
- : Now on the other hand, I think having sex with someone who is
- : unconscious is rape. They CANNOT give consent. Having sex with a
-
- (except in ONE exceptional circumstance, which is where they have specifically
- requested it)
-
- : drunk woman who does not give consent is rape. Where's the problem
- : here? *I* did not make the laws which we live under today, and I do
- : not like them. Hence I try to change them.
-
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