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- From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
- Subject: Re: Drunk Sex = Rape ? (was Re: Mysogynist Bullshit)
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- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 12:14:56 GMT
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- amy lynn young-leith (alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu) wrote:
- : Karl, you took this post out of context/
- :
- : In article <C15p04.BDz@ddsw1.mcs.com> karl@ddsw1.mcs.com (Karl Denninger) writes:
- : >In article <1993Jan19.205938.7956@news.cs.indiana.edu> "amy lynn young-leith" <alyoung@kiwi.ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
- : >>You meet a woman at a bar, and for the two and a half hours you are
- : >>there, she has six drinks. Or you're at a frat party, and she's been
- : >>slamming back beers all evening. Is it REALLY that hard to tell, or
- : >>have a good educated guess, as to whether this person is drunk or not?
- : >>These two instances are where the problems with alcohol and consent
- : >>happen.
- : >
- : >If, however, that woman goes outside, gets in her car, and drives, then
- : >society holds her FULLY responsible for the consequences.
- : >But if she gets in bed with a man the MAN is responsible for the
- : >consequences, including being charged with rape!
- :
- : I have said in the past that this isn't fair and shouldn't be. A
- : woman should not be able to turn around the next day and go, 'Oh, I
- : know at the time I said I wanted to, but I was drunk...' I made the
- : simple suggestions that perhaps a man should, just for the sake of
- : protecting his ass in this day and age, not sleep with drunk women he
- : doesn't know. Someone replied that this was hard to tell. To which I
- : replied the above.
-
- However if the woman in question is likely to behave in such a way is
- it not also quite possible that she will make a false accusition of
- rape, if the man in question dares refuse to have sex with her.
-
- :
- : >There's something wrong here. If you can give consent to drive (which you
- : >obviously can) then you ought to be able to give consent to make love. I do
- : >not accept that women should be "protected" from this decision any more than
- : >I accept that men should be (and yes, this means that if I consent while
- : >drunk to homosexual sexual relations, and find that I did something stupid
- : >the next day, that I feel it is my problem and not the other party's)
- :
- : I agree with this. Pay attention to the thread next time and not
- : individual messages.
- :
- : amy
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- : I.U. probably doesn't agree with me. I don't speak for
- : them so it doesn't matter, now does it?
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