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- From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
- Subject: Re: Nordstrom Rape Case
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- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:04:40 GMT
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- Michael Rivero (michael@neuron6.jpl.nasa.gov) wrote:
- :
- : Alas, as much pressure as the feminists have put on the courts to
- : punish men for various crimes, they have put equal pressure on the courts
- : to allow women to get away with certain crimes. A good example is the
- : recent trend to pardon women who kill their husbands on the grounds
- : of domestic abuse. Many of these women never claimed they were abused
-
- On the other hand this has added more uncertenty to the procedure.
- A woman who did kill their husband when attacked (and threatened with
- leathal force in that attack).
- Might meet with a judge and jury who are aware and (justifiably) horified
- by previous injustices in similar cases.
-
- : at all prior to it being suggested TO them by feminist lawyers. (In the
- : case of Danielle T. Mast, convicted of bank robbery, the feminist lawyer
- : for the defense presented a case of her having been "coerced" into the
- : robbery by a man. Despite the failure to identify this mystery man and
- : the fact that Danielle was not known to be in a relationship at the time,
- : the judge handed down a greatly reduced sentance.) Research has shown
-
- : that women are likely to batter their husbands just as often as men,
- : which means there is a case for men killing abusive wives. But, as
-
- However the reaction of people when husbands are attacked by their spouses
- is rather different. It is usually portrayed as less serious, excuses
- (which would not be used for a man) are given for the wifes behaviour.
- Attacks (in the form of, further, emmotional bullying) may well be made
- against the victim. Refgues (or places of asylum) for battered husbands
- are frequently seen as a joke (especially by feminist groups, even by people
- running similar places for battered women)
-
- : Warren Farrell points out in his book,"Why Men Are The Way They Are", a
- : ruling of legitimate self defense in the case of Eddie King, who had
- : endured 4 years of stabbings, shootings and acid throwings from
- : his wife Betty. She had already been arrested twice before, once for
- : leaving him in a parking lot with a knife in his back, but had been
- : released by a police department conditioned to believing women
-
- The argument is something like women only defend. (sums up quite a few
- of the cases the poster mentioned)
-
- : don't cause these problems. In any event, Eddie shot and killed Betty
- : during another attack in public. The judge ruled self-defense and the local
- : feminist groups howled with rage, demanding that Eddie be executed outright
- : for having dared lift a hand against his wife.
-
- This sort of behaviour is very harmfull to any legal system, which to be
- effective MUST be as impartial as possible.
-
- : Another example. In the celibrated case of comedian David Brenner, it
- : took him 10 years to win custody of his son from the mother, a multi-convicted
- : drug user. The mother responded by kidnapping the boy and vanishing, apparently
- : with the aid of groups who feel that the child belongs with the mother,
- : no mater what. When the woman and the boy were finally found, the
- : New York District Attorney declined to prosecute.
-
- Leaving the option only of a private prosecution (if NY allows these),
- in any case for a private individual, deprived of any state help, to
- attempt to prosecute is likely to be difficult and expensive. (especially
- if as is possible in this case they have organised opposition)
-
- :
- : The woman who committed the Davis, Califoria hoax was never prosecuted,
- : and so far, there has been no mention of charges against the Nordstroms
- : con-artist either. The woman who set fire to her wheelchair bound husband
- : last Easter has pled diminished capacity. The lesbian who set fire to her
- : lover's 2 year old son has pled temporary insanity following a lover's
-
- Maybe a good time to consider replacing "not guilty by reason of insanity"
- with "guilty buy insane".
- Do you know if she was commited for psychiatric treatment?
- (or is this literaly a "get out of jail free" card)
- : quarrel. No challenge to these defenses have been announced by the
- : respective prosecutions. The women who reported a false kidnapping from the
- : Fox Hills Mall to cover the death of a child lost their license to run a
- : foster home (ooooh, that musta really hurt).
- :
- : The bottom line is that women are NOT inherently more honest than men, and as
- : long as the judicial system refuses to punish them for false rape charges,
- : husband battery/murder, child battery/murder and so forth, women will
- : go on believing it's permissable to cry rape and to beat up and kill their
- : husbands and children.
-
- The worst case senario is for a woman to be the abuser (or rapist) and then
- turn round and claim to be the victim.
-
- What you will hear from feminist groups is that any attempt to do anything
- against those who abuse the system is that it would discourage those
- who had been attacked from reporting it.
- :
- : Ironically, Colorado passed a law that it was illegal to discriminate
- : on the basis of gender when handing out prison sentances. Equality
- : under the law, right? NOT! The protests came out that the children
- : were being deprived of their mothers and that therefore, the courts had
- : a legitimate right to give women reduced or suspended sentances preferentially
- : over men. Linda Lodenhamper, the (dues paying NOW member) of "Citizens
- : for Prison Reform", urged the governor to change the law, saying that
- : locking women away from their children was "cruel and unusual punishment".
-
- Maybe (dispite claims to the contrary) the people makeing the fuss do
- NOT want equality. (or dislike the idea that equality has bad bits as well)
- (like admitting the existance of rather nasty people who happen to be female)
- :
- : Finally, it is a myth that women commit fewer crimes. They commit fewer
- : violent and confrontational crimes (because those that try usually died),
-
- (or possibly get caught less)
-
- : but for crimes of forgery, theft, and fraud, commisions by women more
- : than double commisions by men. My ex wife, who was a drug runner from
- : Columbia for 10 years prior to when I first met her, used to tell me that
- : 90% of the smugglers were women because the cops would never stop them.
-
- What criminals look for the holes in the law inforcement (and legal system)!
-
- :
- : But, as noted, the feminist spin on the legal system, bolstered by
- : a 10 year media campeign to portray men as the root cause of all evils
- : has created a legal system in which women may steal, kill, maim, smuggle
- : and kidnap, while receieving only token punishments.
- :
- : These crimes and pranks will continue until the media starts reporting
- : the stories fairly and the courts start slamming these feminine offenders
- : just as hard and just as long as possible.
-
- Maybe then you can start fixing the damage to (and loss of credibility) to
- your legal system.
-
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