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- From: evansmp@uhura.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
- Subject: Re: Nordstrom Rape Case
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- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 14:31:10 GMT
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- Michael Rivero (michael@neuron6.jpl.nasa.gov) wrote:
- :
- : Those of you who know me feelings about the ape hyperbole know what's
- : coming next. The alleged victim kept chaning the story of what happened
- : and where, and when pressed for details, finally admitted the whole
- : affair was a "joke". Nordstroms, having started disciplenary action
- : against it's employees without any prooof of wrongdoing, is now the
- : target of a lawsuit by those employees. Both the costs of the ad
-
- However a valid lawsuit if it is a claim for herassment or breach of
- disiplinary procedure
-
- : campeign and losses from the lawsuit will be passed on to those people
- : who shop there.
- :
- : Of course, the women's groups who were so vocal about the bad ol
- : salesclerks and the bad ol store and the bad ol rapists and the bad ol
- : insensitive police have yet to grant a single utterence on the bad ol
- : girl who got her jollies crying rape. As was the case in Davis, California,
-
- They would probably be far too embarassed to do so.
- : I am waiting for the NOW press conference that suggests the alleged victim
- : is secretly working with the police to discredit the rape issue.
-
- Has anyone heard of the fable of the shepherd boy for cried wolf?
-
- Could be, more likely she is in need of some sort of psychiatric help!
-
- :
- : It's one thing for Catherine Comins to suggest a false rape charge is
- : valid in a non-sexual situation if it leads to empowerment (which I
- : disagree withy by the way), and quite another for a woman to cry
- : "rape" just to see the bystanders jump.
-
- The is the means justify the ends BS argument.
-
- :
- : Ten years ago, before the feminist media campeign that promoted rape
- : and abuse as political instruments, any woman who claimed she was raped or
- : abused would have gotten my immediate sympathy and belief. As of right now,
- : I would not believe any woman who claimed she was raped or abused without
- : reasonable evidence. With the overwhelming majority of these cases, both
- : in court and in the media, turning out to hoaxes; with the FBI reporting
-
- Possibly just a well reported minority, however so far as the effect it
- dosn't matter.
- : that rape is the single most falsly reported crime in the United States, the
- : odds are NOT in favor of her being truthful about such matters.
-
- You are reaching the point where you have a situation of honestly being
- unable to prove in cases at the same time as a vocal group saying what
- the verdict should be in every case.
- I think this will put an enormous strain on systems of law inforcement,
- police initialy (as they are in the front line), followed by lawyes (judges
- and other legal professionals).
- However as people get more uncertain, I would predict a turning up of the
- heat from the presure groups involved. (probably directed at the general
- public, who after all form jurys) to convict in these cases.
-
- USING criminal justice systems for political purposes is a good way to
- undermine there effectiveness.
-
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