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- From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
- Subject: Re: Shuttle safety margins
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.183016.19870@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
- Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
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- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:30:16 GMT
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- In <1jk3beINN6c4@mirror.digex.com> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:
-
- > my problem with the shuttle is that they used Military safety amrgins.
- > Now when one flys a 747, one does not usually put the vehicle
- > past 1.25 G. The vehicle is rated for 4 Gs. The failure limit
- > is around 6 Gs. 99% of the time you will be below 1.25 Gs.
- > an emergency manuever may require you to pull 4 Gs, everytthing
- > is sized for this. if something unusual occurs you can exceed
- > the limit. Hence 747's have ridden out hurricanes and supersonic
- > dives.
-
- > Now an F-15 is rated for 9 Gs. THe pilots will routinely
- > pull 9 Gs. but at 10 Gs, structural damage is assumed
- > and the vehicle is overhauled. Now F-15 pilots will
- > pull these high G forces in Training, in operations,
- > in Combat and in emergencies.
-
- I have to question this. I don't have figures handy for the F-15
- airframe, but a historical note may give a slightly clearer picture on
- "Military safety margins" (if my memory isn't flawed). The rated
- plus-g for the F-4 was something like 5 g. Pilots in Southeast Asia
- almost routinely did 8-g manuevers when avoiding flak, etc., because
- going outside the envelope was better than being shot down. I don't
- know of any aircraft that went down from structural failure, and I
- would expect that if that had happened it would have been widely
- publicized in the anti-war press of the day.
-
- I would suspect that you would have more serious problems than
- g-induced structural damage if you did 10-g manuevers in an F-15,
- since you have almost assuredly exceeded the g-tolerance of the
- wetware. In point of fact, there have (apparently) been instances of
- near-instantaneous GLoC which resulted in loss of aircraft in F-16s
- doing 9-g pull-ups. Structural damage from g loading ceased to be
- much of a problem if the aircraft impacts dirt. I also assume we're
- not talking about jolt, but about sustained manuever, since I think
- planes coming off a cat take higher jolt than 10 g.
-
- --
- "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
- in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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