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- From: wdwells@nyx.cs.du.edu (David "Fuzzy" Wells)
- Subject: Re: Orbital elements of junk in space wanted
- Message-ID: <1993Jan24.060624.15769@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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- Organization: University of Denver, Dept. of Math & Comp. Sci.
- References: <C17prn.4xu.1@cs.cmu.edu>
- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 06:06:24 GMT
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- >> something unknown that is not in the catalog.....
- > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- >> found pieces that NORAD did not know about or had reported lost.
- > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- > Russia (ex-USSR) ?
- > Other known launching nation(s) (China, Japan, France, etc...) ?
- > Unknown launching nation(s) ?
- > Meteorites ?
- > Little natural satellites ?
- > High altitude physical phenomena ?
- > Very high-flying secret aircraft ?
- > Other ?
- > Within the computer software analysing these events, is there some
- > kind of filter eliminating the objects (if any) which disappear soon
- > after being detected, or which don't obey strictly the laws of
- > gravitation and/or atmospheric re-entry ?
-
- J. Pharabod, Thanks for writing.
-
- [for the novice out there: satellite: anything going around the earth, not
- just your MTV comm-sat]
-
- 95% of those "unknown" objects are cataloged as debris pieces. We
- do not have 24 hour coverage of every little piece up there, so if a debris
- "event" (explosion, breakup, asat, whatever) occurs, unless a sensor is lucky
- enough to catch it in the act, we get surprised on the next observation. It
- is quite exciting (for my group) when a rocket body we had been tracking for
- X years goes missing and XX number of little satellites show up on the screen
- in the same general orbit. You ever try to reverse-engineer an explosion??
- Another type of "unknown" is the lost satellite or the administratively
- decayed satellite. Once a satellite gets below the 90min period mark and
- atmospheric drag starts to become a factor, our software starts losing
- satellites. If anyone wants to figure out exactly how to model atmos. drag
- for any given object, feel free to send us the code.
- For any elset to be "good", at least three observations are needed.
- Make that "three observations that correlate to a single elset within our
- tolerances". If an elset comes out that seems good but doesn't correlate to
- any known object, then that becomes a UCT (uncorrelated track) and gets
- thrown into the back numbers of the satcat for more analysis until it can
- be found reliably, can be given a name/origin and then find its way into
- the 2XXXX numbers.
- Back to your questions: We do what is called NFL (new foreign
- launch) to find elsets on non-US launches. Thus, those unknown pieces
- have just as much chance of being ours as anybody elses. And EVERYBODY who
- makes a launch from earth is included...even if we didn't think they could.
- Meteorites are possible...and DSP satellites can track them as they reenter,
- but most are very short-lived and not really "orbitting". High altitude
- physical mysteries...sure, although I HIGHLY doubt it. BTW, there are lots
- of work-arounds for the Northern Lights, so they are no biggie. If you can
- fly an aircraft (even at LEO) then you need to talk to the NASP people and
- quick! Nope, no aircraft can fly where we look...save that really big white
- and black jobbie with the giant doors and NASA scrawled alongside it.
- Oh, back to natural satellites...those are a teaser and one of the
- big topics that our group is working on...
-
- "Other?"
- <warning...silly stuff ahead (UFO talk)>
-
- And for the computer software...if three or more obs line up, then
- you have a track...realistic or not. And yes, people have made claims of
- tracking an object that ascended radially outward from the center of the
- planet, pausing occasionally.....but the latest person to make that claim
- was tracking it more than 15 years ago and I have not heard of any other
- claims that date later. So, you UFO groupies can chew on that for a while.
- (BTW, I have _NO_ more info on those incidents.....I have no interest in
- them and don't wish to pursue.....<ie: I have better things to do with my
- time than to write stories for the tabloids>) BTW, given the bugginess of
- both the software and the sensors (even now, problems creep up), I would be
- more apt to place blame on the equipment than to UFOs.
-
- Cheers,
- Fuzzy.
-
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- \'o.O' | HQ AFSPACECOM/CNA |
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