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- From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
- Newsgroups: sci.skeptic
- Subject: Re: Healthy skepticism
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- Date: 27 Jan 93 21:32:54 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan27.065441.8278@pages.com>, kevin@pages.com (Kevin Sven Berg) writes:
- |> Well, let's see. It's probably no use to argue over the
- |> meaning of a particular word.
-
- Sorry. The ONLY thing worth arguing over is the meaning of words!
-
- |> A different approach...
- |>
- |> The basic premise that the body has within itself the means
- |> of it's own health, diagnosis and recovery might be a better way to
- |> procede with the discussion. This hypothesis wouldn't be coached
- |> in the dogma of one institution over the other, but might elicit
- |> responses based on findings. Would anyone care to prove this
- |> one way or the other?
-
- Prove what? You`ve put forth a hypothesis with so many undefined
- terms that it can't be evaluated:
-
- "the body" (I have no idea what you want to include in this)
- "has within"
- "the means" (I particularly object to the "the")
- "it's own health" (and I PARTICULARLY object to the word "health" without
- definition)
- "diagnosis" (huh? a technical term that can only be an analogy "within" the body)
- "recovery" (huh?)
-
- Please define all of these terms and we'll see what you are really
- proposing.
-
- |> I've already given two pretty firm cases (nobody seemed to pick
- |> on those): M.D. Elton Baker and his nutritional work with cancer,
- |> and M.D. Dean Orlish who presented his controlled studies of
- |> the effects of diet, exercise and meditation to the AMA. I'll
- |> throw in Jay Kordish successful cancer remission (uh, yes,
- |> the Juice Man), and application of Iyengar Yoga in curing
- |> scoliosis (I could pursue documentation on this from an expert
- |> here in San Diego).
-
- Strong cases of WHAT? What are you trying to prove? Do you have any
- idea at all how to construct a valid scientific argument, including
- ALL the data, not just a few studies that seem to be interesting?
-
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- Robert E. McGrath
- Urbana Illinois
- mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
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