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- From: sschaff@roc.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Stephen F. Schaffner)
- Subject: Re: -REAL- Christians dont know god is dead
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- References: <01050133.ohmnd7@distant.uucp> <1993Jan25.180851.1@stsci.edu> <2166@admin.mport.COM>
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- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 22:48:37 GMT
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- In article <2166@admin.mport.COM>, max@admin.mport.COM (Max) writes:
- |> zellner@stsci.edu writes:
-
- |> >Of course he's arbitrary. He's God, and he's not in the slightest accountable
- |> >to us for his laws of good and evil, any more than he is accountable for to us
- |> >for the way he made the universe or the laws of physics. And we don't "make
- |> >god" anything; he made us, and everything else too.
- |>
- |> ben claimes that its not just a belief in god, it "TRUE".
-
- Well (assuming, as you say, that Ben does indeed believe in God) of course he
- thinks his belief is true -- what other meaning could "belief" have in this
- context?
-
- |> ah, the cruxt! ben makes a huge mistake in reason: if i dont believe in
- |> gravity, do things fall when i drop them? yes, of course, hell, even a flat
- |> earther can see that! BUT if i dont believe in god, my transgression against
- |> gods laws have no effect on me! no god=no hell! yay!
- |>
- |> are you following this ben? god is just a beleif system, not a reflection
- |> of reality (if you believe in that...).
-
- Is it fair to say that your argument here is "You believe in God; I don't"?
- Obviously you think he's wrong, and he thinks you're wrong (so do I, but
- that's beside the point), but where's the "huge mistake in reason"?
-
- [...]
-
- |> but i guess that THIS is really really the cruxt of the debate. it god ours
- |> or are we his. ho ho.
- |>
- |> actually, i spoke to god the other day, and he said
- |> to me that he was actualy working for the cia, and that he was on our side.
- |>
- |> silly me, and i thought he was dead. :-)
-
- I'm having some trouble following your train of thought here. . .
-
- |> if any of the above conditions will keep us out of his blessings, then what
- |> happans if you dont believe in the blessings in the first place? nothing.
-
- Hmm, sounds like you're not in a position to determine whether the
- blessings exist, then: either they don't exist and you haven't got them,
- or they do exist and you haven't got them.
-
-
- Now if I could just remember what this is doing on sci.skeptic . . .
-
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- Steve Schaffner sschaff@unixhub.slac.stanford.edu
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