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- From: gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith)
- Subject: Re: Allan Bloom, Micheal Medved and Jack Chick
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.114837.17888@sun0.urz.uni-heidelberg.de>
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- Organization: IWR, University of Heidelberg, Germany
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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 11:48:37 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan23.193334.10043@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>
- arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
-
- >Suggesting that an opinion is worthless or even harmful is not the same as
- >suggesting that it be disallowed.
-
- Suggesting that certain music is worthless or even harmful is not
- the same as suggesting it be disallowed, either.
-
- >And of course the problem with this particular opinion is not merely that
- >someone dislikes rock and roll. Reread the passage, paying attention to the
- >phrase
- > It's not enough to just <dislike> something; one has to show that
- > it's as physically or psychologically <harmful> as dioxin or PCP.
- >It's not that this man dares not like rock and roll, it's that he dares
- >take the step from "I don't like rock and roll" to "rock and roll is a
- >pernicious influence on our society".
-
- If you don't think Bloom's opinions are pernicious, why do they worry
- you? And if you do think they are pernicious, aren't you skating
- close to a contradiction?
-
- It seems to me someone can reasonably conclude something is pernicious
- without having to quote a study to prove the case; in fact, we do this
- all the time. If I listen to racist, sexist and violent lyrics, my
- feelings are somewhat akin to listening to Buchanan proclaim a
- cultural war--even if Buchanan wants to go to war against the lyrics.
-
- Notable anti-Communists include Hitler, McCarthy, Nixon, and J. Edgar
- Hoover, none of whom I particularly admire. But I don't see this as a
- good reason to become a Communist. Judging the proposition that some
- rock music is pernicious by who supports this idea is a similar
- mistake, I think.
-
- So is claiming something is not pernicious because someone wants to
- ban it. During the height of the Red Scare, one might have felt a
- temptation to argue that Uncle Joe isn't that bad, really, he was our
- ally in the war which proves he is really OK, blah blah. But it
- wasn't true and it wasn't the point. If you support free speech for
- the Klan, you put yourself under an intolerable burden if you feel you
- must also prove that the Klan does no harm. That is not true and not
- the point.
-
- And I don't feel I either need to obtain your permission nor be able
- to quote a sociologist to conclude both that Buchanan and some
- violently deranged lyrics (and I have heard these) are harmful in
- order to think my conclusion is reasonable.
-
- --
- Gene Ward Smith/Brahms Gang/IWR/Ruprecht-Karls University
- gsmith@kalliope.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de
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