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- From: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
- Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,alt.atheism
- Subject: Back to Blockhead and the Eve study.
- Message-ID: <1993Jan24.094028@IASTATE.EDU>
- Date: 24 Jan 93 15:40:28 GMT
- Article-I.D.: IASTATE.1993Jan24.094028
- References: <30608@castle.ed.ac.uk> <8okTXB1w165w@kalki33.lakes.trenton.sc.us>
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- Reply-To: danwell@IASTATE.EDU (Daniel A Ashlock)
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- In an earlier flame I asked why Back to Blockhead articles took the form:
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- Misrepresentation of Event
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- followed by
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- Vedic Gibberish playing off the event?
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- Well this one fit the mold pretty well except it was a study not an event.
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- In article <8okTXB1w165w@kalki33.lakes.trenton.sc.us>,
- system@kalki33.lakes.trenton.sc.us (Kalki Dasa) writes:
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- [deletions]
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- > For example, tree (1) has four mutations, and tree (3) has eight.
- > Scientists would argue that (1) is therefore more likely to resemble the
- > real ancestral tree. This seems promising, since in this case tree (1)
- > is in fact the real tree. But tree (2) requires five mutations, and so
- > it is nearly as parsimonious. Yet (2) shows a completely different
- > pattern of ancestors.
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- But the study in question had 135 characters. Try figuring out how many
- characters you need to make the probability of ambiguity extremely low.
- I bet it's far more than were used in your example. The problem with the Eve
- study WAS NOT ambiguity of the descent tree; it was FAILURE TO LOCATE the
- parsimonious descent tree. Back to Blockhead misreports the news again.
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- > The problem with the parsimonious tree method is that in a complex case
- > there are literally millions of trees that are equally parsimonious.
- > Searching through them all on a mainframe computer can take months.
- > According to Templeton, the original findings on African Eve came from
- > computer runs that missed important trees. When further runs were made,
- > a tree with African roots turned out no more likely than one with
- > European or Asian roots.
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- Wrong, wrong, wrong: the parsimonious tree hasn't been located yet.
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- [Wild oversimplifications of evolution deleted]
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- > WHY MAN AND APE ARE SIMILAR
- >
- [Descent from Bhrama replaces Descent from simple cells]
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- >
- > INTELLIGENT DESIGNER
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- You dishonest worm. The "intellegent designer" idea is complete bullshit
- and you have yet to answer (on talk.origins) the objections raised to it.
- Who are you, the Hindu equivalent of Bob Bales?
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- The Bales Cycle, extensively studied on talk.origins, goes:
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- Post unsupported claim
- Wait for objections and flames to die down
- Post unsupported claim again without modification
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- [more deletions]
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- If you're going to repost total bullshit could you at least summarize a bit?
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- Dan
- Danwell@IASTATE.EDU
-