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- From: mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu (Robert McGrath)
- Subject: Re: 1-900/psychics
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- Organization: University of Illinois, Dept of Computer Science
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- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 21:03:54 GMT
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- rdnelson@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Roger D. Nelson) writes in part:
- RDN Your lament comes up here, now and again. While it may seem important
- RDN to save people from themselves, and from con-men, there are a few dozen
- RDN or million other things that are more important, depending on one's
- RDN philosophical stance. An example in the same territory as your concern
- RDN is the proliferation of "Prize winning" opportunities with judging fees,
- RDN the new hi-tech versions of Keno in bars and restaurants, and the
- RDN lotteries that purport to support so much societally important stuff in
- RDN some ever more states. Just try to fix it all.
-
- REM It is interesting to note that all of the con's listed here, including
- REM infomercials and 900 numbers, could well be regulated by governements.
- REM I hardly think a sigh and an "oh well" are really justified where
- REM a little political will could do a lot to clean things up. In fact,
- REM such an atitude is a large contributor to the lack of such political
- REM will.
- >
- RDN My admittedly obscure point was that "governments" are sponsoring or
- RDN at least allowing ever more sucker games.
- RDN My feeling is that that in itself is a bad thing,
- RDN not so much because it sucks money out of shallow pockets, though that
- RDN is bad, but because is trains us all, by example, to be less creative,
- RDN productive, self-sufficient, clear-minded, and it saps our collective
- RDN (is there any other sort?) "political will".
-
- I don't think we disagree about the cheap psychic vending stuff.
- I think I detected unacceptable levels of "mopery" in your "Just
- try to fix it all" and applied the basic boot to the behind to
- that. :-)
-
- Actually, I haven't made up my mind about government gambling games.
- Like you, I'm not especially happy having MY government becoming a
- major marketer of gambling games that basically exploit the weak.
- (I generally hope to have public services HELP people rather than
- damage them.)
-
- On the other hand, raising public funds through various voluntary
- gambling games has always seemed like a "stupidity tax" to me,
- and since I'll never have to pay it, it is as close to a perfect
- tax as I can imagine!
-
- I hesitate to guess what "us all" might be learning from all this.
- (I don't expect taxation to have an "educational" function anyway.)
- Surely some people may be introduced to numeracy by learning
- about gambling games. Perhaps we should think of these games
- as lessons in applied mathematics, and you pass the course when
- you stop playing.
-
- By the way, belated apologies to my friends "overseas", as some of
- this discussion is probably of little interest outside the USA.
- Actually, I have no idea at all if how relevant these things are
- elsewhere. As a patriotic American, I'm not allowed to even
- care! :-)
-
- --
- Robert E. McGrath
- Urbana Illinois
- mcgrath@cs.uiuc.edu
-