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- From: matt@physics2.berkeley.edu (Matt Austern)
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- Subject: Re: Truth vs beauty in physical theories
- Date: 27 Jan 93 23:50:05
- Organization: Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory (Theoretical Physics Group)
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- In-reply-to: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu's message of 25 Jan 93 21:46:37 GMT
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- In article <mcirvin.727998397@husc.harvard.edu> mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Matt McIrvin) writes:
-
- > >Even if you believe in Technicolor, chiral symmetry
- > >breaking isn't enough: you need something to give mass to the
- > >technifermions, so you've only deferred to problem to a higher energy
- > >scale.
- >
- > You mean "give mass to the ordinary fermions," don't you?
-
- No, I really did mean what I said: I agree that giving mass to the
- ordinary fermions in technicolor models is a problem (and that the
- proposed solutions to it are extraordinarily ugly, as well as being on
- very shaky ground phenomenologically), but it isn't the problem that I
- was referring to.
-
- The point is that if the technifermions are massless, then the
- technipions will be massless too, since they're just the Goldstone
- bosons associated with chiral symmetry breaking. Now that would be OK
- if there were only three technipions (they would just become the W and
- Z longitudinal modes), but in any technicolor model that's even
- semi-realistic, you end up with more than three technipions: the only
- way you'd end up with just three of them is if you only had two
- technifermions, i.e., if the technicolor global symmetry were
- SU(2)xSU(2).
-
- So, somehow, you have to start out with massive techifermions, so
- that, as in the case of QCD, the technipions are only approximately
- Goldstone bosons. So you're back to the same mess: since
- technifermion masses aren't gauge invariant, where do those masses
- come from?
- --
- Matthew Austern Maybe we can eventually make language a
- matt@physics.berkeley.edu complete impediment to understanding.
-