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- From: bbowen@megatest.com (Bruce Bowen)
- Subject: Re: Black hole insights
- Message-ID: <C1FFtH.Gyq@megatest.com>
- Organization: Megatest Corporation
- References: <mcirvin.727904072@husc.harvard.edu>
- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 20:35:01 GMT
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- > What I want to know is, when people calculate how much "time" it takes for
- > a black hole to evaporate (proportional to M^3 they say), what coordinate
- > are they talking about? I'm still confused by the fact that a test
- > particle takes infinite Schwartzschild "t" to pass the horizon, but the
- > hole evaporates in finite "t", and I'm not convinced that the "bulging"
- > effect people have mentioned is the answer. Perhaps I'm just being
- > irresponsible using Schwarzschild coordinates when M is changing.
-
- This same thing has occured to me. I haven't yet seen a satifactory
- explanation. Also, locally, there's nothing really "stressful" about
- spacetime at the horizon, so why would an infaller see anything there;
- unless to him the evaporation radiation appeared to emminate from the
- singularity.
-
-
- From article <mcirvin.727904072@husc.harvard.edu>, by mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Matt McIrvin):
- > Ingoing Eddington-Finkelstein and Kruskal coordinates avoid this difficulty.
-
- > Now, what *I'm* confused about is the situation in which the object has
- > a finite mass. I agree that the horizon will come out to meet the object
- > and engulf it, but does this mean the observer will see it wink out
- > abruptly? Forget "coordinate time"-- that's by definition dependent on an
- > arbitrary definition. What do the future light cones do? Do light cones
- > originating arbitrarily close to the engulfment event hug the horizon
- > arbitrarily closely, in which case the situation is really no different
- > except in detail from the massless one? Or does something more complicated
- > happen?
-
- I'm not sure about this either. I am reviewing MTW's chapter on
- gravitational collapse, which I think, is an equivalent problem.
-
- He's a thought problem:
-
- Say, we have a black hole of mass M. We drop a small test mass into
- it. We wait long enough for it to get within a small distance epsilon
- of the horizon. We then radially symmetrically dump another amount of
- mass M in on top of it. Very soon in observer/coordinate time the
- event horizon has moved far above the position of our small test mass,
- so it is well within the event horizon in a finite amount of
- schwartzchild "t". What now is it's coordinate time to reach the
- central singularity?
-
- Here's another question:
-
- Kruskal coordinates, etc. are different parameterizations of
- spacetime that avoid the coordinate singularity at the horizon that
- results in schwartzchild coordinates. There is of course a mapping
- between the two coordinate systems. What does one get for "r" and "t"
- when one maps back into schwartzchild coordinates after the particle
- has passed the horizon, and does anyone give these values
- significance? What is the final value of "t" when an infalling
- particle reaches the central singularity?
-
-
- -Bruce
-