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- From: sichase@csa1.lbl.gov (SCOTT I CHASE)
- Newsgroups: sci.physics
- Subject: Re: photon 'detectors' - how reliable?
- Message-ID: <25JAN199311064523@csa1.lbl.gov>
- Date: 25 Jan 93 19:06:00 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan25.180302.5963@novell.com>, dseeman@novell.com (Daniel Seeman) writes...
- >
- >I discussed this matter with
- >Scott Chase and he feels that I (and my optometrist) should be a bit more
- >precise with these statements. Only *PERFECT* eyes under *IDEAL* conditions
- >would be *CAPABLE* of reacting to significantly high percentage (we discussed
- >efficiencies over %80 or so) of incident photons.
-
- I guess I should explain my point of view. No matter what type of
- detector you choose (eyes, CCD, avalanche diode, etc.), you can make
- the claim that perfect {insert detector name} under ideal conditions
- can be 100% efficient. But this is not meaningful in practice. No
- practical detector is 100% efficient, and eyes don't even come close.
-
- Probably the worst problem with eyes is that they are connected to a
- brain that can easily be fooled. Put a person in a very dark room and
- allow them to acclimatize - then ask them to respond vocally whenever
- they see a single photon . My best guess is that the person will
- respond many more times than you actually illuminate them with your
- one-photon source. I don't know whether the problem is with false signals
- generated in the eye itself, or with the brain.
-
- Without knowing the detailed physiology of the eye, I also imagine that
- the effective detector area is not equal to the area of the retina - even
- neglecting the entirely dead region (fovea, right?) near the optic nerve.
- Rods and cones must have finite dead time and efficiency, etc. All these
- factors fold together to give you a net efficiency less than 100%.
-
- For an optometrist to blithly make the off-the-cuff claim that
- your eyes are 100% efficient detectors, is probably just sloppy talk. I
- presume that optometrists know better.
-
- To the original poster's question about whether 100% efficient detectors
- exist, I think that the best answer will probably take the form "No, but
- for high enough energy photons at low enough rates, it is possible to
- construct detectors of type {insert detector name here} with efficiency
- blah-blah %." As a non-expert on photon detection, I'm not sure what
- the best detectors are. Others have mentioned several varieties already.
-
- -Scott
- --------------------
- Scott I. Chase "It is not a simple life to be a single cell,
- SICHASE@CSA2.LBL.GOV although I have no right to say so, having
- been a single cell so long ago myself that I
- have no memory at all of that stage of my
- life." - Lewis Thomas
-