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- From: hrubin@pop.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin)
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- Subject: How complete? Re: Complete Physical (was Re: Thyroid info needed)
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- Date: 27 Jan 93 19:13:37 GMT
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- In article <162@ky3b.UUCP> km@ky3b.pgh.pa.us (Ken Mitchum) writes:
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- ............................
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- >Again, you are right on target. Most of the gap between what people want from
- We hear about complete physicals, but how complete are they? As someone with
- a modicum of scientific knowledge, there is no way that I could consider them
- complete, and I suspect that a generation from now those looking at what is
- done now will ask why this, that, and the other test were not routine.
-
- >their doctors and what they perceive to get could be made up for by decent
- >patient education from somewhere. Part of the problem is that many doctors
- >assume that the patient understands things that he/she doesn't understand. I don't
- >know how many times I have spent several minutes explaining something to a
- >patient, only to find out later that he/she didn't understand what I was talking
- >about.
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- >|> As for acute illness or injury, people go to emergency rooms because they
- >|> don't know where else to go. Yes, that means they haven't established a
- >|> relationship with a doctor, but surely it isn't worth draining a couple of
- >|> grand a year for tests that are rarely useful in the name of establishing
- >|> such a relationship.
-
- >A major problem with our current system is that we have done everything possible
- >to sabotage the traditional doctor-patient relationship, and the traditional
- >generalist physician. We have made spending time with the patient, talking and
- >examining the patient into activities which are seen as a waste of time, because
- >they are not reimbursed.
-
-
- I agree with most of Dr. Mitchum's comments, but I think it necessary to go
- farther in this respect. It is extremely difficult to get a physician to
- listen to the patient after the doctor thinks he has diagnosed the situation,
- even if the patient still has observations not covered by that diagnosis.
- Also, the doctor does not consider the gamut of alternatives available,
- especially in treating long-term conditions, which are becoming far more
- important as a part of the medical problem. How many physicians will
- discuss the alternative treatments in sufficient detail for the patient
- to decide? Not doing this IS a reason for mistrust.
-
- Also now not reimbursed, and of considerable importance, is literature search
- and consultation with other physicians. Now several of the physicians posting
- here are at medical schools, where this does take place, but those in private
- practice, even at medium-sized clinics, say 50-100 physicians, do not do this.
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- Herman Rubin, Dept. of Statistics, Purdue Univ., West Lafayette IN47907-1399
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