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- From: rind@enterprise.bih.harvard.edu (David Rind)
- Newsgroups: sci.med
- Subject: Re: Voodoo varicocele
- Message-ID: <2451@hsdndev.UUCP>
- Date: 25 Jan 93 18:33:14 GMT
- References: <1993Jan24.235452.14511@iecc.cambridge.ma.us>
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- Organization: Beth Israel Hospital, Harvard Medical School, Boston Mass., USA
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- In article <1993Jan24.235452.14511@iecc.cambridge.ma.us>
- johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine) writes:
- >This seemed kind of strange, so I asked the doctor when I went in for the
- >followup. He pulled out all his books, and we found that although there's
- >considerable evidence that it improves sperm counts and motility, nobody
- >has ever done a study where they measured the indicator that really
- >matters, i.e. number of babies.
-
- >(FLAME FOLLOWS) If so, why is varicocele surgery medicallly respectable
- >but homeopathy isn't? Same situation: lots of anectodal reports, no hard
- >facts.
-
- First, I know little about the evidence for or against varicocele
- repair and fertility. However you do provide "hard facts" (assuming
- you are correct). If the repair shows improved sperm counts, that
- provides real evidence that the surgery does something.
-
- The objection to most of the "homeopathic" remedies discussed here
- is that there is no such evidence. Evidence that a homeopathic
- remedy increased sperm counts would be powerful evidence in favor
- of homeopathic medications whether or not such increases led to
- increased fertility.
-
- This is not to say that the studies you desire wouldn't be valuable.
- Inferring that increased sperm counts mean increased fertility
- is not nearly as useful as direct evidence showing increased
- fertility. It is a lot better than anecdotal evidence, however.
- --
- David Rind
- rind@binoc.bih.harvard.edu
-