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- From: yan-dicky@cs.yale.edu (Dicky Yan)
- Newsgroups: sci.math.stat
- Subject: Re: Desperate situation
- Date: 26 Jan 1993 23:12:54 -0500
- Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept., New Haven, CT 06520-2158
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- In article <00967347.5659DB00@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu> tayloe@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu (Rex Tayloe) writes:
- >In article <2581@blue.cis.pitt.edu>, wbdst+@pitt.edu (William B Dwinnell) writes:
- >>
- >>Rex: How are you defining the "average"? Do you mean the mean number of tries
- >>successfully past by all people trying this? Do you mean the number of
- >>tries at which half the people are dead? Possibly you mean something
- >>else altogether?
- >
- > The problem was to determine the average number of times you pull the
- >trigger before you get shot. = sum of number of triggers pulled in game
- >i/number of games. This process would be described by the negative binomial
- >distribution (or, more specifically, the geometric distribution). This
- >distribution describes the probability for obtaining the kth success in the rth
- >trial. In this case k=1 (the geometric distribution). The n.b.dist is given by:
- >
- > P(r;p) = p(1-p)**r-1 (for k=1)
- > where p = probability of success in each trial (= 1/6 in this example)
- >
- > This distribution has a most probable value of 1 and an mean value of
- > 1/p = 6. So by "average" I mean "mean". = (
- > /rP(r;1/6)dr
- > )
- >6 does seem high doesn't it? I think that it is because of the long tail on
- >this distribution. It also just occurs to me that a most probable of 1 seems
- >strange also. Oh well, I hope somebody yells if this is wrong.
- >
- >
- > - Rex Tayloe TAYLOE@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu -
- > - U of Illinois TAYLOE@uiucnpl.bitnet -
- >
- Yeah, it's the Geometric Distribution. The word "average" can be explained
- in the following sense. You ask 1000 volunteers for the game. Ask each
- of them to repeat steps a-c until he/she kills himself/herself.
- Then you yourself (the sole survivor of the game) records the data.
- e.g. Mary kills herself after repeating steps a-c 4 times
- John kills himself after repeating steps a-c 6 times
- : : : : : :
-
- ... etc.
-
- The average is the mean of these numbers. Suppose your sample only includes
- Mary and John, the (sample) average will be 5. For this particular problem the
- answer is 6 (this is the mean for the distrubution, not for the sample).
- It means a person who plays the game is expected to die after
- repeating steps a-c 6 times. (If you find the mentioning of sample and
- distribution mean confusing, just forget about this paragraph, okay?)
-
- Dicky Yan.
-