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- From: malouf@Csli.Stanford.EDU (Rob Malouf)
- Subject: Re: Correlation Lengths of Language Changes
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.233640.1895@Csli.Stanford.EDU>
- Organization: Stanford University CSLI
- References: <1993Jan18.231913.7227@leland.Stanford.EDU> <Jan.18.22.09.21.1993.9749@pilot.njin.net> <1775@tdat.teradata.COM>
- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 23:36:40 GMT
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- In article <1775@tdat.teradata.COM> swf@tools3teradata.com (Stan Friesen) writes:
- >Now you are getting into some very odd prejudices about what 'primitive' people
- >were like! As Rich has said - pronouns seem to be *fundamental* to language!
- >[I agree with him here - deixis is a core process - even your example includes
- >it - 'this' is a deictic element in "this man"].
-
- In his dissertation (which is soon to be published by John Benjamins),
- Revere Perkins correlates "cultural sophistication" with certain
- grammatical features found in languages. He found that if anything
- more primitive languages tend to have more elaborate pronominal
- systems. Primitive languages have a different set of problems to
- solve than more culturally advanced languages and therefore tend to
- have different characteristics, but there is no reason to believe that
- primitive languages should be in any way simpler than, for example,
- English. (Of course, I use the terms "primitve" and "advanced" here
- in a technical sense as defined by Perkins. I mean to make any value
- judgements about languages or societies).
-
- >|> ... And what if the abstract concept of 'tree' came
- >|> at a much later time?
- >
- >Get real! The only people that would lack a general word for 'tree' would be
- >those living where there *are* no trees! In fact so-called 'primitive' peoples
- >often have a *better* vocabulary for describing living things than 'modern'
- >languages.
-
- Actually, there is nothing universal about the category `tree'. We
- impose our own organizational system onto the world, and there is no
- reason why other languages might not organize things another way.
- What I would be surprised to find was a language which had no
- superordinate categories but instead view each kind of plant as a
- complete unique sort of thing.
-
- >--
- >sarima@teradata.com (formerly tdatirv!sarima)
- > or
- >Stanley.Friesen@ElSegundoCA.ncr.com
-
- Rob Malouf
- malouf@csli.stanford.edu
-
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