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- From: librik@cory.Berkeley.EDU (David Librik)
- Subject: Re: Subject and object confusion (Was: Re: "n'ha"...)
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- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 07:29:22 GMT
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- jbm@hal.trl.OZ.AU (Jacques Guy) writes:
- >connolly@memstvx1.memst.edu writes:
- >>This shortcoming is hardly peculiar. *Many* languages lose the ability
- >>to distinguish subject and object in certain situations. Here's a
- >>German example:
- >> Das ist die Frau, die meine Grossmutter ermordet hat.
- >> 'That is the woman who killed my grandmother.'
- >> 'That is the woman whom my grandmother killed.'
- >Yes, so in Latin (e.g. Catullus: dic mi te me amare), but in the
- >Breton case, if memory serves me (I can't find my Breton grammar,
- >koc'h!) that confusion could arise in the simplest sentence, i.e.
- >a single, main clause.
-
- This appears in Welsh (which is related to Breton). You can emphasize a
- certain word in a sentence by putting it first. So while the normal order
- of a sentence is unambiguous:
- Gwelodd Tom ci `Tom saw a dog'
- if you make `dog' emphatic you end up with:
- Ci welodd Tom `Tom saw a DOG' or `A DOG saw Tom'
-
- This isn't as terrible as it looks, because you wouldn't use such a
- construction if there was real confusion about who did what.
-
- - David Librik
- librik@cory.Berkeley.edu
-