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- From: rfriedel@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Ronald J Friedel)
- Newsgroups: sci.environment,soc.culture.usa
- Subject: Re: Cars and suburbs
- Date: 26 Jan 1993 22:08:02 GMT
- Organization: Computing Services Division, University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee
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- In article <1993Jan26.193128.11337@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
- >In article <1jsuiqINN8it@morrow.stanford.edu> silva@pangea.Stanford.EDU (Holly Silva) writes:
- >> Uh, hunh. Yoder's babbling again. Exactly where and how does
- >>any government in America 'force people into trains'? By taking away
- >>tax monies from the (heavily subsidized) American highways and re-direct-
- >>ing them into public transit? I've yet to live anyplace where this is
- >>occurring.
- >
- >Silva is babbling again. The "forcing" is by taxing auto users to pay
- >for transit that isn't worth what it costs. That prices some folks
- >out of the market. (It's a regressive effect, but that doesn't bother
- >environmentalists.)
- >
- >-andy
- >--
-
- Let us start another thread
-
- Recently there has been a series of discussions about automotive
- fuel economy on the sci and talk.environment newsgroups. Some of
- this discussion was started when somebody posted a set of goals
- from some environmental group. (Greenpeace, the Greens, Sierra
- Club, etc., ?). I do know that the Sierra Club is pushing for a
- new CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) standard of 45 miles per
- gallon. The present standard is supposed to be about 27 miles per
- gallon. In reality, this in nowhere near being met at this time.
-
- Why not, you ask? There are too many non-cars being sold. They
- do not have to meet the same standards that are applied to cars.
- What are these non-cars? They are the trucks, multi-purpose
- vehicles, & sport-utility vehicles that so many of us drive. This
- includes the very popular mini van. (I was looking at a mini van
- this morning in the dealer's lot. EPA mileage numbers were 17 in
- the city and 23 on highway; in no way could that mini van get 27
- miles per gallon in average use.)
-
- Here is a list of the top ten vehicle sellers, 1992.
-
- 1. Ford F-series pickup (truck) 488,539
- 2. Chevrolet C/K pickup (truck) 455,250
- 3. Ford Tarus (car) 409,751
- 4. Honda Accord (car) 393,477
- 5. Ford Explorer (truck) 306,681
- 6. Toyota Camry (car) 286,602
- 7. Ford Ranger (truck) 247,777
- 8. Dodge Caravan (truck) 244,149
- 9. Ford Escort (car) 236,622
- 10. Honda Civic (car) 219,228
-
- The car and truck classifications are my opinions. The numbers
- add up as follows:
- 1,739,396 trucks
- 1,545,680 cars
-
- I would suggest that the environmental groups should be demanding
- that the private vehicle fleet economy be 27 miles/gallon. The
- vast majority of the privately driven trucks are being driven as
- cars, taking one person to work each day.
-
- Looking at the list above, I can see two vehicles that have an EPA
- average (EPA City + EPA Highway)/2 > or = 27 miles/gallon. Those
- probably are the Ford Escort and the Honda Civic. Could any of
- you fill in the numbers for all ten vehicles on the list? (Yes, I
- know it is complicated because of all the engine and transmission
- combinations but some "ball-park" numbers could be found.)
-
- Rather than demanding 45 mpg cars (or 60 to 100 mpg science
- projects) that few people would buy, we should be asking for a
- real CAFE standard of 27 mpg that applies to all vehicles in the
- private vehicle fleet.
-
-
- Ron Friedel
-
-
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- Ron Friedel
- GeoSciences UW-Milwaukee
- rfriedel@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
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