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- From: mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman)
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- Subject: Re: Idiotic Japan Bashing
- Message-ID: <1993Jan24.190751.23507@oracle.us.oracle.com>
- Date: 24 Jan 93 19:07:51 GMT
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- In article <30587@castle.ed.ac.uk> cam@castle.ed.ac.uk (Chris Malcolm) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan20.002834.27142@oracle.us.oracle.com> mfriedma@uucp (Michael Friedman) writes:
-
- >>For example, a 50 year hiring plan is
- >>ridiculous for almost any company because you don't know what
- >>functions will be automated over the next 40 years.
-
- >A plan doesn't have to be set in concrete.
-
- Correct.
-
- >In this case you decide
- >what things are likely to be automated, what things may be automated,
- >the likely consequences, etc., and make a plan which involves a number
- >of options, decision points, and review points.
-
- If you had to, you would.
-
-
- >It wouldn't surprise
- >me if there were Japanese companies which had 50 year hiring plans.
-
- Why? Can you please explain why this would be useful?
-
- >The point is that if you are right you come out ahead of the game, and
- >if you are wrong you come out no worse off than the idiots who think
- >the game is unplayable.
-
- Incorrect. First off, if you are right you come out even. I fail to
- see how a fifty year hiring plan leaves you ahead of the game.
-
- Secondly, if you are wrong you come out behind. Why? Because people
- capable of drawing up a fifty year plan are few and far between. If
- you put them to work on a plan that ends up being trashed you can't
- use them for something useful.
-
- In fact, going back to by first point, I bet your fifty year hiring
- plan leaves you behind even if it works. Why? Because the people
- capable of doing a 50 year hiring plan decently are much more valuable
- than the people capable of doing a five year hiring plan decently.
- Also, don't forget the time value of everything. Even if planning
- takes the same amount of time no matter how far in the future it is
- (an unlikely assumption) you are still better off pushing such costs
- forward. Even if planning for 2040 costs as little in 1990 as in 2030
- it still ends up costing you 15 times as much assuming an interest
- rate of 7% per year. So where is the added value to compensate for this?
-
- >My business is robotics research, and I sometimes get interviewed by
- >interested companies. I always ask them about how far ahead they plan
- >and budget, because some of my research is long-term. I am staggered
- >by how much further ahead Japanese companies routinely plan and
- >budget.
-
- >The big companies often plan, in informed and carefully
- >researched detail, many decades ahead, where US and UK companies will
- >refuse to look more than five years ahead. The last Japanese
- >businessman I spoke to said his idea of a _medium_ term company-funded
- >and -staffed research programme was twenty years.
-
- This probably explains why the Japanese are rarely at the forefront of
- new technology. Can you think of any of today's important technologies
- which were taken seriously 20 years before they were commercialized?
-
- >He also funds long
- >term research programmes, with big teams, not just a boffin in a hut.
- >How long is long term? He just laughed and said "Much longer than
- >twenty years! For my children's children."
-
- Mind telling us a 20 year research program that you think is worth
- investing in? I think you would have a hard time. Why? Because,
- based on past experience, we don't even have to tools today to play
- arround with the things that will be commercialized in 20 years.
-
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