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- From: gil@tillage.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
- Newsgroups: sci.environment
- Subject: Sheep in Organizations
- Message-ID: <727763654snx@tillage.DIALix.oz.au>
- Date: 23 Jan 93 04:34:14 GMT
- References: <58993@dime.cs.umass.edu>
- Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents
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- In article <58993@dime.cs.umass.edu> yodaiken@chelm.cs.umass.edu writes:
-
- > In American English, the de-facto world standard, "environment",
- > "environmental science" and "environmentalism"
- > have a more specific meaning. That's why we are conversing on
- > "sci.environment" although neither the scientific nor the environmental
- > content of this "conversation" is notable.
-
- You are not really trying to tell me that American English is now the
- defacto world standard language, are you Victor?
-
- This bullshit grows increasingly preposterous by the minute!
-
- > Perhaps if you were a little less quick to denounce people as fanatics
- > or to take the least sensible interpretation of their words, you would
- > find conversations here a little more informative.
-
- Well, as I have discussed with you previously, I strive to bring the
- debate up to something more closely resembling international standard
- given the extent to which you people have bogged it down in defacto
- language instead.
-
- > Nice of them. But the long established and flxbile methods of problem
- > solving, that you have offered as an alternative to the Horror of
- > American Fanaticism, did not afford any rights at all to women, for
- > example.
-
- Curiouser and curiouser. I would still like to know from what source
- you derive these recent comments of yours about women, that I might
- finally do them some justice.
-
- In other words, what the fuck are you on about?
-
- > So, experience with American tourists in Australia qualifies you to
- > make pronoucements about US environmental politics and such issues
- > as Alaskan land access without having to learn anything else?
-
- No, not at all. I find myself limited to what gets posted here right
- now. As said, an attractive shop-front displaying American expertise
- this is *NOT*.
-
- > As I noted before, if you were able to restrain yourself and avoid
- > the use of such epithets as "old scrotum" to refer to those you disagree
- > with, it would be a good idea.
-
- Oh, don't you think that's funny? I do, especially when it is applied
- so appropriately to such a pompous jackass as McGowen.
-
- > No. I am annoyed when people, like yourself, evade confronting the concrete
- > points made other posters by attacking the presumed ideological basis
- > of the opponent. I'm especially annoyed when these presumptions are
- > way off the mark.
-
- I yet await any concrete points at all, Victor, unless what you mean
- to say here is "points set in concrete", rather than substantial debate
- arising from evidence.
-
- > This is just false. Arguably the first shots were fired by the
- > slavers who kidnapped Africans for the slave trade. Even on a closer
- > historical time frame, Brown's adventure at Harper's Ferry postdated
- > the bloodshed in Kansas which can be blamed pro-slavers as much as
- > anyone else. Your argument is quit clearly based on a misunderstanding
- > of American history.
-
- My argument, and here you provide it with substance (thank you), is
- concerned with the fact that you people have historically been unable
- to settle your differences beyond shooting at one another. That one
- lot fired on the other, and the other fired back, is just exactly what
- I have been talking about, yes?
-
- > Have a nice day.
-
- I will indeed. Made vastly more enjoyable and stimulating arguing with
- you here.
-
- Bye,
-
- Gil
-