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- From: brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder)
- Subject: Re: Cars and suburbs
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- Organization: Quake Public Access
- References: <2936740077.1.p00004@psilink.com> <21JAN199323271566@pearl.tufts.edu>
- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 09:23:13 GMT
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- In article <21JAN199323271566@pearl.tufts.edu> ddeocamp@pearl.tufts.edu (DANIEL M. DEOCAMPO) writes:
- >In article <2936740077.1.p00004@psilink.com>, p00004@psilink.com (Michael Smith) writes...
-
- >>Very true. Car-dependency is the symptom; suburban sprawl is the
- >>underlying pathology. (There is, to be sure, something of a
- >>chicken-and-egg question on the historical level.)
-
- Actually, I don't think that cars are the best way of getting around...far
- better than some stupid government-transit system. I think most people
- racognize this since they volunatrily choose to buy cars while the government
- has to forcce people into trains. Would you care to defend this idea of
- yours that suburban living and cars are pathological? Even if you
- find some arguments to support your contention, who are you to force your
- opinion on others?
-
- >>the transit facility gets paid ticket-by-ticket. What has to be
- >>discouraged is car *ownership*; use will follow.
-
- Why can't you mind your own business and stop trying to make people's
- lives more miserable? I LIKE my car, I don't care what you think.
-
- >Are there no realistic ideas for a mode of transportation which caters to the
- >individual while avoiding serious environmental harm?
-
- Well, modern internal combustion cars fit this bill quite well.
-
- >I raise the question,
- >but have no clue about an answer.
-
- That much is clear. How can you recommend that car ownership be discouraged
- while admitting to know of nothing better?
-
- >Even solar cars have serious costs (mining,
- >production, etc.).
-
- They also don't work in any practical way. Why do you thing that fuel is
- such a terribly important issue? Far more important is overall operating
- cost and actual performance. Do you know how much acceleration you
- could get from a solar-powered car assuming full bright light and
- 100% efficient collectors covering 100% of the car driving a 100% efficient
- motor running on a 100% efficient suspension?
-
- Do you know how fast it would go at night?
-
- >What I believe is probable, however, is that the costs of
- >technology such as solar and zero-emission vehicles will be deemed acceptable.
-
- I suggest you consult any introductory physics text and do a few back of the
- envelope calculations. Solar-powered cars make absolutely no sense and
- never will. You can't change the laws of physics.
-
- >Perhaps they are, especially in the face of the combustion engine.
-
- But IC engines are a really good means for getting around! Too bad
- solar car's can't cut it. Even if you could somehow manage to get a solar
- car to work, what about driving at night? Would we all just have to give
- it up?
-
- --Brian
-
-