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- From: gil@tillage.DIALix.oz.au (Gil Hardwick)
- Newsgroups: sci.environment
- Subject: Let's have another look at it . . .
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- Message-ID: <727691639snx@tillage.DIALix.oz.au>
- References: <1993Jan21.192947.4866@vexcel.com>
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 08:33:59 GMT
- Organization: STAFF STRATEGIES - Anthropologists & Training Agents
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- In article <1993Jan21.192947.4866@vexcel.com> dean@vexcel.com writes:
-
- > Some places, they are occasional, and sometimes they are more common.
- > In any case, we have described the dynamics, but how to deal with them
- > is still the problem. If local people are doing what you describe in
- > your last paragraph, then it seems they still have an opportunity to
- > choose what direction they wish to go. In some cases, that is not so.
- > In the case of Ladakh thet I previously have mentioned, diversion of
- > scarce water to industry in an arid climate has removed the opportunity
- > to preserve local agriculture. Some of the communities have withered
- > though others farther from the roads persist. But the roads do continue
- > to get built.
-
- Yes, it is indeed still *the* problem. What I am trying to do about it
- in my own small way is to have people who do want to "help" recognise
- each case, and what is actually going on in that environment, that its
- own local complexities can be stepped through and sorted out.
-
- This quote is from Bill Mollison, in Permaculture 2:
-
- In complex systems, where animals and plants interact, even
- computers fail to cope with the complex interaction between the
- different elements. They cannot cope with the soil, the worm,
- the robin and their relationship. Only the careful human
- observer can make this sort of assessment. Then quiet, small
- adjustments can have the effect of turning disaster into
- triumph.
-
- You can actually see the problem when you are so close to it as he
- (and we, BTW) is. It is just not so easy to get those seedlings to
- strike, and it is neither so easy to understand just what effect the
- through road is going to have in bringing prosperity, or poverty.
-
- Maybe also you will understand why I am so averse to having people
- like John McCarthy map soil models in his "supercomputers", and so
- oppose McGowen when *local* people who know their own area by living
- in it and depending upon it absolutely for their own livelihood are
- the ones to be consulted about protecting it. That is not merely an
- aside, it is the main political game right now.
-
- The very guts of Agenda 21, as Alan might finally realise by the time
- he gets through reading it.
-
- > Reminds me of a program in the US in which power was provided to a
- > Navajo reservation via solar panels. The locals were trained to
- > install and maintain the equipment. Local benefit and local
- > employment that fit in with their desired lifestyle.
- >
- > In some cases, good programs like these are in a race with World
- > Bank or government programs that effectively remove such opportunities.
-
- Indeed! As with our own prefabricated ablution blocks for outstations
- the Aboriginal people can site and assemble wherever they want, with
- potentially commercial tree crops planted along the leech drains. If
- they don't want to sell the fruit and nuts, fine, when so much fresh
- food can be delivered to the children for free anyway, instead of being
- trucked in through hundreds of miles of desert.
-
- See? It gets really interesting and positive suddenly, doesn't it?
-
- > I think we are in agreement of the value of these types of programs
- > but they seem to be the exception when compared with the other
- > programs we have described. As such it is one side of the coin.
- > The other side is to try and stop the harmful plans from
- > continuing to do their damage.
-
- As above, the *main game* right now. In other words, for those with no
- direct interest in the site (ie, *not* part of that environment) to
- just butt out and leave it alone. Go and look after your own place (if
- you can't even do that, how the hell can help anyone else anyway?).
-
- If human species aren't there, there are plenty of other organisms
- quite ready and fully capable of going back in and rehabilitate it
- to *their* benefit, which as things go benefits a wide variety of
- others as well, as we do in our own way left free of interference to
- simply get on with it.
-
- Yes?
-
- Gil
-
-