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- From: jaskew@spam.ua.oz (Joseph Askew)
- Newsgroups: sci.energy
- Subject: Re: True Costs of French
- Summary: Costings are out
- Message-ID: <2027@spam.ua.oz>
- Date: 25 Jan 93 01:21:41 GMT
- References: <1993Jan11.222312.11939@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> <2011@spam.ua.oz> <1993Jan19.215714.9617@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>
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- Organization: Statistics, Pure & Applied Mathematics, University of Adelaide
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- In article <1993Jan19.215714.9617@gn.ecn.purdue.edu> constant@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Tino) writes:
- >In article <2011@spam.ua.oz> jaskew@spam.ua.oz (Joseph Askew) writes:
-
- >>If the French Nuclear Industry is so damm good why do they keep it all a
- >>secret? The French keep the entire program (or at least large parts of it)
- >>quiet.
-
- >Just because you don't look hard enough for the info doesn't mean it's not
- >there. In my previous posts on this topic, I presented a great deal of facts
- >about the French system. I suggest you check out Nuclear News and other
- >trade related publications. Just because you don't see them in Time doesn't
- >mean they aren't available.
-
- I do believe that is a flame. If you have any information about where I
- could look for a detailed (or even superficial) break down of the costs
- and earnings of the French power industry I would be very happy. And if
- of course it showed that French reactors got no cross subsidisation from
- Fossil Fuel generation I would be prefectly prepared to apologies publically.
- I am aware that the French publish a lot of technical details some of which
- clearly show problems with their industry. The low efficiency of their gas
- cooled reactors for instance. I have yet to find any infomation on the costs
- of generating power from such reactors.
-
- BTW I wouldn't read TIME if you paid me. I'll even watch the gold fish in
- my doctors surgery for 3/4 of an hour rather than read that rag.
-
- >>into profits. The French program *is* a mess (as much as I hate to agree
- >>with Greenpeace) If it worked they wouldn't be so secretive! Many of their
- >>Reactors (like the early Gas Cooled British reactors) are designed to
- >>produce Pu not power (sure, they produce power but their main design was
- >>for Pu for their bomb program. They are woefully ineffieicient). When they
-
- >Tell me which reactors produce just Pu, and tell me why a country is not
- >allowed to have a Defense Program. Why is the French program a mess? I
- >worked there last summer and I didn't get that impression.
-
- Pluueeze, did I say *just* Pu? I don't think so. What I meant was that
- French reactors were not designed with low cost power in mind. Especially
- the early CO2 cooled ones. These like their British counterparts were
- designed to be part of the Weapons program. I have even heard someone
- refer to the British units as 'Pu factories with poor generators attached'
- but as this was hardly an official or authoritive source I won't argue
- the point. I have no problems with the French defense program. I couldn't
- care less if they make bombs although I would prefer them to test them in
- France. As for the French nuclear program it is a mess because it was not
- designed to be efficient and I do not believe it to be so. Everything I
- have read agrees that in a free market the French would not be using their
- present systems. In short the French do what they do because the government
- wants them too not because it pays. If it paid they'ld be boasting from
- the roof tops about how much better their program is to the British :-)
-
- >>come clean I'll start to believe them. The SuperPheonix fiasco certainly
- >>would take a lot of explaining!
-
- >Yes, I'd like to explain the technical details, but it's more difficult to
- >understand than the usual Greenpeace claim, "Nukes suck".
-
- I never read Greenpeace claims as a general rule and nor do I accept the
- argument that 'Nukes suck' so perhaps you better start with the technical
- details now.
-
-
- Joseph Askew
-
-
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