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- From: jgd@dixie.com (John De Armond)
- Subject: Re: Why not 120 VDC ? Why invert?
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- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 93 04:24:52 GMT
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- ems@michael.apple.com (E. Michael Smith) writes:
-
- >Pondering this ... Why not just use a 120 VDC battery pack and use
- >120 VDC for a bunch of stuff? Lightbulbs don't care if they are
- >AC or DC, nor do electric stoves and ovens or other resistive heat
- >sources. Some tools have AC/DC motors. 120 VDC was a common motor
- >type not too long ago, so I'd expect some motors to be available
- >for things like house fans.
-
- There are a couple of issues. Filament-type lamps DO care about DC
- according to my lighting handbook. Seems the cathode end of the
- filament thins faster than the rest because of voltage potential between
- the anode and cathode strips off vaporized tungsten atoms. The
- suggestion is of the lamp is run on DC to make some provision for
- reversing the polarity fairly often.
-
- The next issue is that DC motors will either be noisy (universal) or
- expensive (brushless DC). A low end consumer appliance would likely
- get a universal motor for both the AC and DC version.
-
- Next is the issue of keeping that many batteries equalized. One of
- the systems I was responsible for at the Sequoyah nuclear plant was
- the 250 volt, 200,000 amp-hour emergency instrument battery system.
- Learned a lot about maintaining large battery strings. The issue is
- the cells develop sulfation and/or self-discharge at different
- rates. In a long string like that, the odds will result in one or several
- cells differing markedly from the rest. One technique that helps mitigate
- the effect is to periodically apply an equalizing charge. This is a
- fairly heavy overcharge, using the theory that the weak cells will be
- charged while the strong cells are relatively harmlessly overcharged.
- When you have a few thousand megawatts available, hard overcharging
- isn't hard :-). A solar charger would have to be oversized to do that.
-
- Even with equalizing charging system, cells were replaced fairly
- frequently. We'd do a weekly "cadmium test" that involves dipping a
- cadmium rod connected to an instrument down in the acid and reading
- the condition as a voltage between cadmium rod and (I think) the
- + terminal of the cell. Frequent cell replacement was the rule even
- though we used the pure lead plate station type batteries.
-
- We'd also once every outage fully discharge the battery and measure its
- capacity. Mike, you'd have loved the dummy load involved :-) Trailer
- mounted with a connection for a fire hose for cooling. Cable about
- the size of your wrist.
-
- I think we can probably learn something from the industrial electromotive
- field. Most fork lifts and other electrically driven industrial devices
- I've ever worked on use batteries somewhere close to 48 volts. I'd feel
- fairly confident someone sat down and figured out the optimal balance between
- cell size, voltage, maintenance and charging requirements.
-
- John
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