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- From: cindy@solan10.solan.unit.no (Cynthia Kandolf)
- Newsgroups: sci.econ,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.japan,soc.culture.british,soc.culture.canada
- Subject: Re: US as No. 1 (3 data books)
- Message-ID: <CINDY.93Jan27190803@solan10.solan.unit.no>
- Date: 28 Jan 93 00:08:03 GMT
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- In-Reply-To: cjackson@adobe.com's message of 26 Jan 93 11:40:23 GMT
-
- Curtis Jackson writes:
- >Well, certainly the "look, everyone wants to live here" bit of
- >"logic" is a factor, but there are many more that are probably
- >more important. In particular, the issue of individual freedom
- >and choice (at least, until the drug war started in earnest).
-
- Oooooh. Looks like something i will be strongly tempted to answer...
- based on my own experience only.... (For those who don't know, i grew
- up in the US, and moved to Norway with my husband two years ago, give
- or take a few months.)
-
- >Americans look at other countries and see things by which
- >Americans are not constrained:
- >
- >Official state religions
-
- Norway has a State religion, namely Lutheranism. I don't like this
- fact, but i would hardly consider it "constraining". Just because
- it's the state religion doesn't mean you have to be a member, or are
- punished for not being. School children are excused from religion
- lessons if they, or their parents, don't want them present. There is
- complete freedom of religion, just like in the States. (I won't bore
- the net to death by mentioning what i don't like about it; anyone who
- is interested can use that wonderful invention called e-mail.)
-
- >Mandatory government/military service
-
- I wish the world were such that this was not necessary here.
- Unfortunately it is. We share a border with Russia, who we have no
- reason to trust. We are not far from Germany, and it wasn't all that
- long ago we had a certain problem concerning that. Mandatory service
- is the only way to keep the military here large enough to even have a
- hope of defending ourselves. (Until the NATO help supposedly
- arrives... and that's a subject for another article too 8-)
-
- >Mandatory separation of college-bound vs. trade-bound students
- >in the early/mid teenage years
-
- Here the children have to decide whether they want to follow a
- trade-based or an academic-based program when they're 15 or 16. This
- doesn't seem unreasonably early to me. If they do regret their
- choice, they can always start again in the other line... even years
- later. There are people in their 40's at Norwegian high schools.
- Incidentally, the kids are still in the same building when possible,
- and anyone who completes high school has the same right to higher
- education, though the kids in the trade-based courses may have to make
- up some math courses and so on.
-
- >Unreasonable (to Americans) search and seizure in the name of
- >public safety
-
- Doesn't apply here...
-
- >Legislation without true representation (House of Lords)
-
- This doesn't apply here either.... incidentally, can the House of
- Lords actually do anything any more?
-
- >Add to the above the military might of the country, and you have
- >a citizenry who feel they are powerful as a country and powerful
- >as individuals. They can own as many guns as they like, they can
- >drive an automobile with no instruction after passing the most
- >absurdly minimal of tests,
-
- Allowing people to drive without showing any skill is supposed to be
- an advantage? I don't think so.
-
- > they can worship whomever they like
- >publicly, and they can stand in front of the White House and call
- >the President a horse's ass as long as they're not so loud as to
- >be considered disturbing the peace.
-
- You can stand on the steps of our Parliament building and say the
- Prime Minister is a horse's ass, too. The way things have been going
- for her lately, the police just might join you. You can call the King
- any name in the book, and the worst that will happen is people may
- never speak to you again. (We have a very popular King. And if you
- insult his dead father, i guarantee no Norwegian will ever speak to
- you again. But that's not the law...it's just the way people are.)
-
- Anyway, i'm not really sure what the point of that list was... but i
- answered it anyway... Maybe in the hope of boring this thread to
- sleep?
-
- -Cindy Kandolf
- cindy@solan.unit.no
- Trondheim, Norway
-