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- From: erwin@trwacs.fp.trw.com (Harry Erwin)
- Subject: Lamarckian Evolution
- Message-ID: <erwin.727705918@trwacs>
- Organization: TRW Systems Division, Fairfax VA
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1993 12:31:58 GMT
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- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 19:01:33 PST
- From: jrupert@sfu.ca (Jason David Rupert)
- Message-Id: <9301220301.AA25651@kits.sfu.ca>
- To: erwin@trwacs.fp.trw.com
- Subject: Re: Cognitive Networks
- Newsgroups: sci.cognitive,comp.ai,sci.anthropology,sci.archaeology
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- In comp.ai you write:
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- >> You seem to discount Dawkins' memes. I understand that they may
- >> not be a particularly effective way to model sweeping cultural
- >> change but I think they are extremely relevant in modeling very
- >> small, critical changes as well as, perhaps, resistance to certain
- >> changes. The real value, of course, is in modeling specific
- >> self-propogating, self replicating, mutating, evolving "ideas,
- >> ideological elements, or idea complexes" - to wit, memes,
- >> in a culture, a community, a socio-politico-economic unit.
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- >The problem with a meme is that it evolves by Lamarckian rather than
- >Darwinian evolution. The two have distinctly different dynamics. In
- >Darwinian evolution, variation is -->random<--, followed by selection. In
- >a Lamarckian system, variation is not random. This leads to distinctly
- >different dynamics. (I've demonstrated this in simulation experiments.) In
- >particular, the optimal rate of evolution in a Darwinian system is very
- >low if not zero. In a Lamarckian system, chaos is not unexpected, leading
- >to a need for a non-zero rate of evolution. The evolutionary theory that
- >has been developed for Darwinian evolution needs to be recast for
- >Lamarckian evolution. In particular, we need to understand innovation in a
- >cultural context. I -->think<-- an understanding of cognitive networks is
- >needed here.
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-
- Something I read a while back by Doug Lenat reminded me of what you are
- talking about. It was in a book titled "Machine Learning", I can't recall
- the article's title. What I liked about Lenat's approach is that he
- managed to cast cognitive/ideological *novelty* entirely in terms of
- random variation. This seems to be a necessary constraint unless you
- are going to allow organisms/systems to have some sort of prescience
- about what ideas/concepts are going to work out. How Lenat does this
- is by allowing there to be a nested hierarchy of evolutionary processes
- where the variation at one level is (partially) controlled by the processes
- at the level below. So long as the bottom level of variation is "random"
- then you've avoided the problem of prescience. New concepts thus can
- be the result of true randomness, or they can be directed by "heuristics"
- that have evolved at a "lower" (or is it higher?) level. In the later
- case you can argue that nothing really "novel" has been created, just
- the application of some earlier evolved heuristic.
-
- Donald Campbell (who calls his work "Evolutionary Epistemology") also
- has similar ideas.
-
- Anyway, I feel that these are a plausible alternative to making a
- Lamarckian move... or maybe this is a Lamarckian move just spelled
- out in a way to make it (sound?) compatible with Darwinism.
-
- Comments?
-
-
- (Also, I can get the proper reference for the Lenat article if you
- are interested).
-
-
- Jason Rupert
- Simon Fraser University
-
- --I suspect something of this sort is going on in societal innovation.
- --The nested hierarchy of evolutionary events allows a single-point
- --mutation to have major effects, thus getting around the problem
- --with mutations under normal conditions (they're almost always
- --deleterious.)
- --I'll have to go off for a weekend to think about this one.
- --Harry Erwin
- --
- Harry Erwin
- Internet: erwin@trwacs.fp.trw.com
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