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- From: metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern)
- Subject: Re: gravitational radiation one more time
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- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 06:02:26 GMT
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- carlip@landau.ucdavis.edu (Steve Carlip) writes:
-
- > I finally got hold of the article by Yu that Tom Van Flandern cited last
- > month as proof that there was still debate about gravitational radiation
- > in general relativity (Astrophysics and Space Science 194 (1992) 159).
- > What a disappointment! I was hoping for an interesting argument, even
- > though I expected it to be wrong; instead, I found --- excuse a little
- > rudeness --- a paper that was basically silly.
-
- For an argument that you think is basically silly, a lot of papers
- based on similar premises are making it into the literature. Since our
- last discussion I've learned of "Conservation of vector-valued forms and
- the question of the existence of gravitational energy-momentum in general
- relativity" by J.G. Vargas and D.G. Torr, Gen.Rel.&Grav. 23, 713-732
- (1991). They conclude that the theory has some real problems, not just
- unaesthetic inconveniences from the geometrization of the physics.
-
- Also "Nonexistence of multiple black holes in asymptotically Euclidean
- static vacuum space-time" by G.L. Bunting and A.K.M. Masood-ul-Alam,
- Gen.Rel.&Grav. 19, 147-154 (1987), argues for the conclusion in their
- title. This paper also cites mathematical problems with GR, similar to
- those Yu, Vargas, and Tor pointed out.
-
- I have now also seen another recent publication by Damour and Taylor
- containing their clearest statement yet that the binary pulsar does not
- prove the existence of gravity waves. The source is: Phys.Rev.D 45, 1840-
- 1868 (1992), "Strong-field tests of relativistic gravity and binary
- pulsars." I quote: "However, the omega-dot/gamma/P-sub-b-dot test is a
- mixed test which combines strong-field and radiative effects in an
- indistinct way, so that one cannot logically conclude, when the test is
- satisfied, that both the specific strong-field and radiative predictions of
- general relativity have been independently confirmed. In fact, examples of
- theoretically well-motivated theories have recently been constructed [ref.
- Damour & Farese] which have the same post-Newtonian limit as general
- relativity, and can pass the omega-dot/gamma/P-sub-b-dot test without fine-
- tuning, while still differing markedly from Einstein's theory because of
- the strong self-gravity effects in the pulsar and its companion. In
- extreme cases the three curves defined by omega-dot, gamma, and P-sub-b-dot
- can still meet within the observational precision, while the effective
- gravitational constant between the pulsar and its companion differs by as
- much as 35% from the usual Newtonian value."
-
- There seems to be a respectable body of peer-reviewed opinion that
- there are still mathematical problems with GR, and that its predictions
- about gravitational radiation are not cut and dried. Unless you or someone
- can show clear errors in these papers, I think a cautious, open-minded
- position is still in order. -|Tom|-
-
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- Tom Van Flandern / Washington, DC / metares@well.sf.ca.us
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