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- From: metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern)
- Subject: Re: "Modeling" the Expanding Universe?
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- References: <1993Jan21.044621.1778@athena.mit.edu> <C18vB2.6sD@well.sf.ca.us> <1993Jan23.060339.16027@athena.mit.edu>
- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 06:00:43 GMT
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- Earlier, I wrote:
-
- >> In short, in a big bang universe matter can change its distance in two
- >> ways: (1) directly, by the curving of spacetime by gravity, which causes
- >> matter to start moving through space; (2) indirectly, by the addition or
- >> subtraction of space between unmoving packets of matter.
-
- and ted@physics2 (Emory F. Bunn) wrote:
-
- > That's exactly what our galaxy did: Early on it was just a big, slightly
- > overdense region in the expanding Universe, but because of its higher
- > density, it recollapsed on itself. It didn't collapse all the way, as
- > the spherically symmetric region did, because the random thermal motions
- > of the matter in it, and the need to conserve angular momentum,
- > prohibited it. But it did stop expanding, and it hasn't been expanding
- > ever since.
-
- That refers only to type (1) collapse. Surely empty space does not
- have random thermal motions or angular momentum. What stops type (2)
- collapse?
-
-
- and mock@space.mit.edu (Patrick C. Mock) replied:
-
- > Option (2) is not what GR predicts. It is unfortunately a very common
- > misconception. I used believe it too until I read the posts by Ethan
- > Vishniac and Steve Carlip. Weinberg was very helpful too.
-
- I agree that (2) is not what GR predicts; it is what the big bang
- predicts. I gave four citations in my previous post. This is common
- knowledge among cosmologists. Maybe they all have the same very common
- misconception as I do? :-)
-
- The big bang is not my theory -- I have no interest in this point
- beyond pinning down what the theory says so that it can be falsified. Shall
- we pose my statement to some senior big bang cosmologists and ask them if
- it is true, false, or ambiguous? How else can we resolve this impasse?
- -|Tom|-
-
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- Tom Van Flandern / Washington, DC / metares@well.sf.ca.us
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