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- From: mcirvin@husc8.harvard.edu (Matt McIrvin)
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- Subject: Re: Modelling the expanding universe
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- Date: 22 Jan 93 22:03:04 GMT
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- zellner@stsci.edu writes:
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- >Tom Van Flandern writes:
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- > > If the galaxies themselves moved, that would require a center and an
- > > edge to the big bang explosion. Then the universe would not look
- > > everywhere the same, as the Friedmann postulates require.
-
- >To me that seems a non-problem. To itself, each molecule in an expanding
- >gas appears to be at the center, and all other molecules are systematically
- >moving away from it with velocities that increase linearly with distance.
- >Whether a "real" center exists or not is irrelevant, unless of course you
- >can actually see to the edge of the gas. Our universe appears to be big
- >enough that the "edge", if any, is outside our light horizon.
-
- Milne's cosmology obeyed a kind of cosmological principle without
- incorporating general relativity (at least not obviously). The galaxies
- were supposed to be literally flying out through Minkowski space from a
- Big Bang that happened at one point. They therefore formed an
- expanding sphere which, seen from outside, appeared to have a center
- and an edge-- but to someone situated on one of the galaxies, due to
- special-relativistic effects, it would look the same from everywhere.
- Galaxies existed arbitrarily close to the light cone, and the whole
- infinity of galaxies would globally look the same if subjected
- to a Lorentz transformation.
-
- Though Milne's cosmology eventually gave way to models incorporating
- GR, the symmetry-heavy approach Milne used to think about it apparently
- had a major effect on the work of Robertson and Walker, who produced
- the cosmological metric regarded today as more or less standard, at
- least for times not too close to the beginning.
-
- Prior to Milne the most popular cosmologies involved cosmological
- constants and did things like expanding from an initial unstable
- Einstein universe.
-
- >Concerning the rest of this controversy, I think Ethan Vishniac settled all
- >the dust in a later post. Whether the galaxies are moving apart, or space
- >is expanding, is just a question of how you choose to describe it.
-
- That's the case for the zero-density FRW metric, at least. Others
- can't be mapped onto Minkowski space in the same way.
- --
- Matt McIrvin
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