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- From: lip@s1.gov (Loren I. Petrich)
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- Subject: Re: "Modeling" the Expanding Universe? (was Re: That Great Pulsar Timing Flame War)
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- Date: 22 Jan 93 22:11:04 GMT
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- In article <C18vB2.6sD@well.sf.ca.us> metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern) writes:
- ... If you hypothesize that local matter density can cause local
- >spacetime to stop participating in the universal expansion, then local
- >matter density would cause local space to contract rapidly and violently
- >into a black hole (because it is 20 orders of magnitude stronger than
- >universal matter density). It is clearly not possible to halt expansion
- >without starting a contraction.
-
- Sheesh. Haven't you ever heard of angular momentum or internal
- pressure? Both forces can stop collapse, as is readily apparent in the
- Solar System. The Earth does not fall into the Sun, and the Moon does
- not fall onto the Earth, all because of their angular momentum. And
- all three bodies keep their shape from their internal pressure.
- Timescales? Use estimate (G*(rho))^(-1/2). Earth, Moon, and Sun
- collapsing upon themselves? About an hour or so. The Moon falling onto
- the Earth? About a month. The Earth falling into the Sun? About a
- year. But none of those things have happened.
-
- > There is a nice discussion of Einstein's Equation and its application
- >to the big bang in Wald's "Space, Time, and Gravity" (2nd ed., p. 48). I
- >do not see how any of this answers my question: why does large-scale space
- >with low matter density expand and later contract, while small-scale space
- >with high matter density does neither? -|Tom|-
-
- That's because the former case is _very_ close to homogeneous,
- and the latter case is _not_, allowing angular momentum and internal
- pressure to be significant.
- --
- /Loren Petrich, the Master Blaster
- /lip@s1.gov
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