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- From: clarke@acme.ucf.edu (Thomas Clarke)
- Subject: Re: Modelling the expanding universe?
- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.152411.26118@cs.ucf.edu>
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- Organization: University of Central Florida
- References: <C15vp9.6x5@well.sf.ca.us>
- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 15:24:11 GMT
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- In article <C15vp9.6x5@well.sf.ca.us> metares@well.sf.ca.us (Tom Van Flandern)
- writes:
- >
- > Earlier, I wrote:
- >
- > >> If [the Hubble] rate, 50-100 km/s/Mpc, is prorated down to solar system
- > >> dimensions, no ... expansion is seen in planetary orbits. The question
- > >> we are discussing is, why not?
- >
- > and clarke@acme.ucf.edu (Thomas Clarke) replied:
- >
- > > Are you sure it would be observable? I make out the radius of the
- > > earth's orbit to be ~1.5E-11 MPc; therefore the Hubble expansion at 1 AU
- > > comes out ~1.5E-9 km/sec for h=100 km/s/MPc. The ratio of this to the
- > > earth's orbital velocity is ~5.5E-11.
- >
- > Actually, the radius of the Earth's orbit is closer to 0.5E-11 Mpc.
- > What we measure with radar and spacecraft ranging is the actual change in
- > the mean orbital radius, not the doppler shift. If the Earth's orbit were
- > increasing at the Hubble rate of 1E-10/yr, that would be easily detectible.
-
- I converted 8 light minutes to megaparsecs, but I forgot the 3.26 ly/parsec
- factor. Ooops.
-
- 10E-10/year of earth's orbit is about 1.5E-2km=15 meters. Yeah, that
- would be detectable by radar ranging. I forgot about those measurements.
- I guess the laser ranging of the retroreflectors on the moon would
- constrain the expansion as well.
-
- One forgets. To quote Douglas Adams, "Space is big. Really, really big!"
- Even the solar system.
-
- >
- > > Besides, maybe there has been expansion :-) I understand there is some
- > > difficulty in explaining why the earth did not freeze when the sun was
- > > younger and less luminous. If the solar system was smaller 3-4 billion
- > > years ago by the 15-30% value that expansion would imply, this might
- > > account for how we avoided a big freeze.
- >
- > Except that observations say the solar system is not expanding at the
- > Hubble rate today. -|Tom|-
-
- Shucks!. And I was getting all excited about solving a climatological
- mystery.:-(
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- Thomas Clarke
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