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- Subject: A contribution for the FAQ: SHOES
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- Here is a summary of shoe reviews gleaned from various places including
- manufacturers' adds, Road Runner Sports catalog, Runner`s World, Running
- Times, rec.running postings, and my own experience. I will post and update
- occasionally.
-
-
- Guide to Categories
- -------------------
-
- Basic: A good quality shoe for a beginning through mid-mileage runner.
- Lightweight trainer/racer: Typically under 10 ounces. Very light,
- very fast, biomechanically gifted runners can wear these shoes
- as daily trainers. Other runners may get away with using these
- as a second pair for racing in or for track workouts. These
- shoes usually have blown rubber soles for light weight so they
- wear out too quickly for an everyday training shoe for most of us.
- MC: (Motion Control) Made for over-pronators and heavier runners.
- Stability: For neutral runners and mild over-pronators. Offers some resistance
- to pronation and supination.
- Racing flat: Most people should race in their regular trainers or lightweight
- trainers. For people who can get away with it, racing flats might buy
- them a few seconds in a 10k. If that is the difference between 1st
- and 2nd, it is probably worth it. If it is the difference between
- 38:04 and 38:14 it is probably not worth the risk of injury. These
- shoes have very little stability, cushioning, or durability, but they
- tend to weigh 2-4 oz. less than a lightweight trainer.
-
- Construction
- ------------
- If you remove the insole, you can tell the type of construction. Slip Lasted
- shoes have a sewn seam running the length of the shoe. Board lasted shoes
- have a cardboard board running the length of the shoe. Combination lasted
- shoes have cardboard in the rear half, and a seam up the front half. Slip
- lasted shoes are the most flexible. Board lasted shoes are the most stable
- and least flexible. Combination lasted shoes attempt to compromise giving
- a flexible forefoot and a stable rear. Orthotics wearers should stick to
- board or combination lasted shoes. True over-supinators (these are rare)
- should use flexible slip lasted shoes. Another way to look at it: if you
- have a rigid foot (tends to be high arched feet), favor flexible (slip laste)
- shoes. If you have a floppy foot (tends to have flatter feet and overpronate),
- favor combination or board construction.
-
- Last
- ----
- The last is the form the shoe is made on. Lasts vary from curved, to
- semi-curved, to straight. Straight lasts are generally the most stable
- shoes, while curved lasted shoes tend to be the most flexible. You just
- have to see what last from what manufacturer fits your foot.
-
- Stores
- ------
- A good running shoe store is essential. The sales people at the sporting
- goods chain stores and the mall shoe stores just don't know their products
- or how to fit runners, despite advertising to the contrary. A real runner's
- store should allow you to run in the shoe on the sidewalk outside the store,
- or at least on a tread mill in the store and watch you run. They should be
- able to tell you if you over-pronate in a particular shoe. The advice you get
- in a good store is worth the price (full retail) you pay.
-
- Don't be a jerk and pick the brains of a good running shoe store salesman
- and then buy at a discount place. If you value their advice, buy a pair
- of shoes from the specialty running store so they will still be in business
- the next time you need them. Then, if you liked the pair you bought, go
- ahead and buy it from a discount store or mail order place in the future;
- you don't owe the store your business forever. Remember though, that models
- change, and you will want to go back to the good store every few years.
-
- Notes:
- ------
- Weight is typically listed for mens' size 9 as quoted by manufacturer and found
- either in Runners World, Running Times, or Road Runner Sports catalog.
- Different sources differ in the weight they report, often by as much as
- an ounce. I have not been consistent about which source I use here so
- you may find a discrepancy with a source you consult.
-
- M.C. stands for Motion Control (i.e. a shoe for over-pronators).
-
- ************** SHOE REVIEWS *************
-
- ADIDAS
- ------
-
- Torsion Integral M.C. 12.5oz. Combination, straight $100 ($69sale).
- Seriously solid stable shoe for runners with moderate pronation
- problems; too cushioned for heavy runners or severe over-pronators.
- Torsion Advance Lightweight 10oz. Board, semi-curved $75 ($54).
- Good option if you are a mild overpronator, but
- want a lightweight second shoe.
- Torsion Cross 12.5oz. Combination last, semicurved.
- Oregon Ultra Tech Lightweight $75 ($49sale). Similar to Advance but less
- stable.
- Marathon Training II Off road $75($49 sale)
- Oregon Classic Lightweight, 9.0oz Board last, semicurved.
- $56 ($42 sale). The old classic Addidas running shoe that has been
- around for 20 years.
- Response Class Stability, 11.2oz.slip lasted, slightly curved,
- $80 ($65), Not for extreme overpronators.
- Equipment Cushion Stability 12.9oz.(RW says 10.6oz.) Slip lasted,
- semi-curved. $100($80sale (though also seen for $39)). Stable durable
- shoe for high mileage and big runners. Not for severe overpronators.
- Equipment Guidance Stability 11.4oz. Combination lasted, curved.
- $100($80sale). For forefoot runners and underpronators.
- Equipment Support M.C. 11.9oz. Combination, slightly curved. $110.
- This shoe is for overpronators who want a lighter
- shoe with softer (EVA midsole) cushioning. Good
- for all but severe over pronators. Note: the previous
- Support model had a polyurathane midsole and was a
- heavier shoe for bigger runners.
-
- ASICS
- -----
- GT II Compromise lightweight/stability/MC. 11.5oz. Combination, semicurved
- $100/$89. Good basic middle of the road shoe.
-
- GT Cool X M.C. 11.5oz Combination, semicurved. $125($100). Not for
- under-pronators or heavy runners. Cool-max liner.
-
- GT-Express Stability, 12.0 Combination, semicurved.$135/$89. For mild
- over pronators.
-
- Gel MC M.C. 13.0 Combination, semicurved. Heavy duty motion control for
- heavier runners.
-
- Gel-Lyte III Lightweight 10.3oz. Combination, semicurved $65/$49. Runs
- half size small. Flexible and soft cushioning for over
- supinators.
-
- Gel-Lyte Speed Lightweight. 9.6oz. Combination, semicurved. Runs half size
- small.
- Gel-Lyte Ultra Lightweight 9.0oz. Combination, semicurved. Runs small. Not
- for over-pronators. Mono-tongue.
-
- Gel-120 Basic/stability 11.5oz. Slip last, semi curved. $70. Fine basic
- trainer. Replacement to the popular Gel 111.
-
- Gel-Exult Lightweight trainer, mild motion control, 10.2oz. Combination
- last, semicurved. $100 ($75sale). Runs 1/2 size small. Fairly soft
- cushioning. Good compromise for people who need a little more
- motion control than the other lightweights provide. Mono-tongue.
-
- Gel Elite Racer Racing flat. 8.0oz. Combination, curved. $80. Fast flexible
- racer for those who can get away with it. More stable and cushioned
- than most racers, but then heavier too.
-
-
- AVIA
- ----
- 3000 Lightweight trainer, 9.8oz. Slip-lasted, curved. $100. Quite flexible,
- not for over-pronators. Stretch fit upper similar to Nike Huarache.
- 2080 M.C. 12.6-13.2oz. Combination, semicurved, $105. Very well cushioned.
- 2070 Stability/MC, 12.0oz. Combination, semicurved,$90. Major control
- and durability shoe for heavy runners.
- 2045 Stability, 10.8oz. Combination, semicurved, $79($59). Flexible for
- fast runners and over supinators. Not for severe over-pronators.
- Pretty light for a stability shoe.
- 2030 Basic/Stability, 11.5oz. Combination, semicurved. $60($45).
- Stable and firmly cushioned. Good for mild overpronators and heavy
- runners.
-
-
- NEW BALANCE
- ------------
-
- 1500 MC and Stability, 12.3oz. Slip lasted, semi-curved. $169
- Just about the most expensive running shoe made. It fits and
- feels great but I would never spend this much for a running shoe.
-
- 998 (women's) M.C. 9.5oz. Slip-lasted, straight. $105 Major motion control.
-
- 997 MC and stability, 12.5oz. Slip lasted, semi-curved, $100+ ($79sale)
- The 99x series has been one of the most popular enduring lines for
- years. Very stable, very well cushioned. Great for heavier runners.
-
- 900 Lightweight trainer, 9.9oz. Combination last, semi-curved $100($69sale)
- Discontinued (replaced by 860) but still available and on sale. Better
- durability, stability and motion control than most light weight
- trainers. Some people could wear this as a daily trainer.
-
- 860 Lightweight trainer, 9.8oz. Slip last, slightly curved. $80. Replacement
- for 850 and 900, it is lighter, more durable and more stable. A good
- good choice in light weight shoe for those who need a more stable shoe.
-
-
- 850 Lightweight trainer, 9.8oz. Slip last, semi-curved. Discontinued
- $90($59 sale). Typical lightweight trainer. More flexible than 900.
-
- 680 (women's) MC, 10.6oz Combination, slightly curved. $85. Major motion
- control and durability. Firmer midsole than 998.
-
- 678 MC, 11.9oz. Combination last, straight. $85. Most recent entry in
- New Balance's most popular line of shoes (676,677,678). Very durable,
- well cushioned, and stable. Great for high mileage and heavier runners.
- Wider toe-box than almost any other shoe reduces blisters and other
- problems for some.
-
- 677 see 678. Discontinued and so on sale ($49).
-
- 580 MC 12.9-13.7oz. Combination last, straight $96. Very tough shoe
- for heavy runners. Firmer cushioning resists breakdown by those
- who are very hard on midsoles. Good trail shoe too.
-
- 520 Stability, 11.5oz. Combination, semi-curved $78. Not for severe
- overpronators. Good basic shoe.
-
-
- 480 Stability, 11.1oz. Board last, semi-curved $66. Fine basic shoe.
-
-
-
- BROOKS
- ------
- Beast M.C. 13.5oz. Slip last, semicurved. $115. Tough, durable shoe for
- heavier runners. All of Brooks' high technology is in this shoe:
- Propulsion Plate System, HyrdroFlow in heel, diagonal rollbar for
- stability.
-
- Fusion M.C. 11.5oz. Slip last, curved $130($89). Carbon fiber "propulsion
- plate".
-
-
- Mojo Stability. 11.8. Combination, semicurved (RW says straight) $75($58).
- Firm midsole. Good value. Decent motion control and great durability.
-
- Kona Coast Lightweight. 9.0oz. Slip last, curved. $104.
-
- Chariot HFX Mild motion control. 12.0oz. Combination, semicurved. Soft
- cushioned.
-
- Chariot HF 13.0oz. Combination, semicurved.
-
- Chariot Classic Basic 11.0oz. Combination, semicurved. $75($40). A long time
- favorite and ancestor of most Brooks shoes.
-
- Chariot PPS M.C. 10.6oz. Board (Road Runner Sports says combination),
- semicurved. $78. Classic chariot fit plus the propulsion
- plate, hydro-flow cushion pad and roll bar. Good motion
- control and lighter weight than most M.C. shoes due to
- blown rubber outsole (less durable). Good price for so
- much technology.
-
- Fission Stability 11.7 Slip, semicurved. $125. High tech successor to
- Fusion. Not for heavy runners or extreme over pronators.
-
- Avalon Stability (women's shoe) 9.4oz. Combination, semicurved. $80.
-
- Banshee Basic 11.0oz. Slip, semicurved $62($46). Good value if you
- don't need motion control.
-
- Magnum DR Lightweight 10.1oz. Combination, semicurved. $95. All of
- Brooks' high tech features in a lightweight package.
- Good motion control for a lightweight.
-
-
- SAUCONY
- --------
- note: most Saucony shoes fit narrow in the heal and wide in the forefoot.
-
- Grid 9000 MC. 13.2oz. Slip lasted, semi-curved. $115. A tough shoe
- for heavy runners and severe overpronators.
-
- Grid 8000 Lightweight/stability 10.7oz. Slip lasted, semi-curved. More
- flexible, for over-supinators.
-
-
- Grid Control SL M.C. $100. Firm durable midsole.
-
- Grid Lite SD Lightweight. 9.7oz. Slip lasted. $105/$74. Lycra upper for
- snug fit. Good stability for a lightweight.
-
- Azura ST Lightweight 10.5oz. Slip, curved $85($49)
-
- Azura STS Lightweight 10.5oz. Slip, curved $85($64). Not for over-
- pronators.
-
- Shadow 6000 Stability. 12.2oz. Slip, semicurved. $88($60)
-
- Shadow 5000 Stability, slip, simicurved $80($60)
-
- Bangor Basic 11.2oz. Combination, slightly curved. $60.
- Good value for entry level shoe.
-
- Jazz 3000 Basic. $74($45) Top rated by consumer reports for what
- that's worth. Soft cushioning.
-
- Jazz 4000 Basic $75($55) Continuation of popular Jazz line. Ok for
- mild overpronators.
-
- Procyon Basic/Stability, 11.5oz. Slip, straight. $80. Ok for mild
- in the lightweight category.
-
- International Control Stability. 12.3oz. combination, slightly curved. $78.
- Similar to Jazz series but a little more stable.
-
- U.L.T.F. Racing flat. 7.5oz. Slip last, curved.($60)
-
-
- ETONIC
- ------
- StableAir Guard M.C. 13.5oz. Combination, straight. $115. Heavy duty trainer
- for large runners. Air unit in heel and forefoot in
- polyurethane (firm) midsole. Very stable and solid.
- Street Fighter Basic 11.5oz. Slip, semicurved. $65($66). Ok for mild pronators.
- Separate lasts for men's and women's models.
- StableAir Lite Lightweight, 9.8oz. slip, curved.
- StableAir Base Basic, 10.8oz. Combination, semicurved. $58($45). Air unit
- in heel only. EVA midsole. Soft cushioning.
- StableAir Speed Racing flat. 7.2oz. Slip, semicurved $60($50).
- Stab.A. Pro II M.C. 12.2oz. Slip, semicurved. $80($60) Another durable high
- mileage shoe for extreme overpronators. Less stable than the
- Guard, but much less expensive, and more than an ounce lighter.
-
- REEBOK
- -----
- Bolton Basic, 10oz. combination, semicurved. $65. Good buy for all but severe
- over-pronators and underpronators. The equivalent of the Nike Pegasus
- in Rebok'z line.
- Pump GraphLite Stability, 10.5oz. combination, semicurved, $120.
- The pump helps some people with difficult fit problems. Otherwise, it
- is a lot of money for a gimmick. A fine shoe, but the Graphlite is the
- same shoe without the pump, and $30 cheaper.
- GraphLite Lightweight, 9.5oz. Combination, curved, $90. Same as
- Pump GraphLite only without the pump, which makes it a much better
- buy. Cut away midsole with graphite bridge. Good trainer/racer.
- Pyro Basic/Stability, 10.4oz. Board lasted, semicurved.. $55. Not for
- over-pronators. Great buy.
- Aztrek Stability. 10.8oz. slip lasted, semicurved, $70. Pretty light.
- Ventilator Supreme M.C. 11.8oz. Combination, straight, $90. For heavy
- runners who need major motion control. Not to be confused
- with the Ventilator which is a lightweight shoe.
- Inferno Lightweight, 8.9oz. slip, curved, $75. Like most trainer/racers, not
- stable or durable enough for everyday, but a fine second shoe for high
- speed training and races.
-
- NIKE
- ----
- Air 180 Stability.
- Air Max ST M.C. 12.1oz. slip last, slightly curved. $115.
- Air Max Stability, 11.4oz. slip last, semicurved, $110. Well cushioned
- shoe for heavy runners and heel strikers. Not for forefoot
- strikers or severe over-pronators.
- Pegasus Basic 10.8oz. slip-last, curved $70. Enduring favorite. Good
- stability for all runners except sever over-pronators.
- Icarus Extra Basic 10.6oz. slip, slightly curved. $60. Good value in entry
- level shoe. More cushioning but less control than the Pegasus.
- If you over pronate, stay away.
- Air Alpha Lightweight, 9.2oz. slip, curved. $95($69). Same last and
- midsole as Huarache, but with conventional upper. Runs half
- size small.
-
- Verona (women's) Stability, 9.1oz. slip last, slightly curved. $105.
- For mild over pronators. Great daily trainer if you you don't
- need more control. Same last as Athena, but firmer mid-sole.
- Athena Stability (women's version of Anodyne), 8.5oz. Slip, slightly
- curved. Blown rubber outsole is less durable than the carbon
- rubber in the Anodyne.
- Huarache Lightweight trainer, 9.5oz. slip last, curved $110($95).
- Radical looks. Unconventional lycra upper and plastic heel
- strap. Very soft cushioning. Only for fast, efficient runners.
- Some will love its fit, others will hate it. Runs a half to
- whole size small.
- fit, others will hate it.
- Skylon II Lightweight/stability, 10.4oz. Slip, curved. Flexible shoe
- for fast runners/racers. Not for heavy runners or severe
- over-pronators.
- Anodyne Stability, 10.5oz. slip-last, slightly curved. $85. Quite
- light for so stable a shoe. The large external stability
- device bothers some people.
-
-
- MIZUNO
- ------
-
- Controller II M.C. 11.1oz. Combination, semicurved $78. For mild over-
- pronators who want a blend of control, stability, and
- cushioning. Not for extreme overpronators.
- HST-60 Lightweight 9.0oz. slip, curved. $60. Perhaps the best buy
- in the lightweight category.
- HST Stable M.C./Lightweight, 10.0oz. slip last, semicurved, $95. One
- of the best lightweights for people who need some motion
- control.
-
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