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- From: osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
- Subject: Re: SEALs
- Message-ID: <1993Jan24.175720.11208@cbfsb.cb.att.com>
- Sender: news@cbfsb.cb.att.com
- Organization: Twilight Zone
- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 17:57:20 GMT
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- In article <memo.889999@cix.compulink.co.uk> quixote@cix.compulink.co.uk writes:
- >In-Reply-To: <1993Jan20.205947.17810@cbfsb.cb.att.com> osan@cbnewsb.cb.att.com (Mr. X)
- >
- >> control them. Of course, being that it is Stupor Droll time again, I
- >> guess we'll have to put off the start for another couple of months...
- >> sheesh, Amerika.
- >>
- >> -Andy V.
- >>
- >Of course you are in possession of the full facts regarding this
- >particular incident, otherwise you wouldn't make such statements
- >would you ?
-
- No, and I did not claim to be. I was speaking in general terms.
-
- >Are you one of these people that believe everything is avoidable, it
- >can all be planned against.
-
- No. I am onre of those people who believe that operations such
- as these should be planned with the utmost care and professionalism.
- I believe that when citizens are damaged in ANY way and it can
- be shown that the damage is the result of a Guvermint agency not
- taking care to plan and execute an operation properly, that the
- persons responsible for such debacles be held accountable.
-
- >Please remember that the Police etc. are usually dealijng with tht
- >most unpredictable of things ...... humans.
-
- Humans are not quite so unpredictable, especially in the normal
- course of living. They only get that way when threatened. There
- are plenty of good strategies and tactics that can be employed
- to minimize the problems associated with these operations. The
- question is whether or not the Guvermint is willing to use them.
- If they are not, we ought to MAKE them.
-
- >Really it's quite
- >stunning what humans will do, so unexpected some times. As for
- >waiting around a few years until you are eally sure you know
- >everything exactly ... a great policy for letting people get away
- >IMHO.
- Better to allow some to get away than to move improperly against
- an innocent party, especially when the possibility of injury or
- death exists for either the wrongly targeted party or the law
- enforcement officers. If men in black masks come crashing through
- my window or door, and if I am prepared, guess what? I will kill
- as many of them as I can. Why? Because I have no idea who the
- hell these people are. Are they crooks? DEA? There have been
- many cases of band of thieves busting into homes, claiming to be
- DEA or FBI or what have you. You cannot take ANYTHING for granted.
-
- >I can see a lot in what you are saying, but and this is even related
- >to MA (relevancy .. wow !) you have to go into a situation with the
- >realization that the unexpected will happen and you can't plan for it
- >(that's why it's unexpected).
-
- After you have done all your proper, correct, careful, and
- mindful planning, and you are CERTAIN that you have the right
- target in your sights and that you are using the best strategy
- and tactics for the given situation. Once you are in the middle
- of the tactical event then the "expect the unexpected" plays
- well, which I should hope would be obvious. What I was addressing
- was what goes on before engagement so that the target is confirmed
- and taken with the minimum risk to all parties. This most certainly
- CAN be done. The simple fact that so many law enforcement agencies
- either neglect or refuse to take such care is not proof that it cannot
- be done but that they are either criminally inept or unwilling to
- operate in a responsible fashion. I think the adrenalin rush of a
- big, dangerous bust figures into this somewhere... that and all the
- loot they take :(
-
- >We were watching Perfect Weapon .... there
- >is a particular scene when the main protagonist is involved in a bar
- >room brawl and finally gets blind sided with a beer bottle. My mate
- >was of the opinion that it should never have happened and was
- >indicative of poor MA ability, I was of the opinion that shit happens
-
- In the heat of battle, shit happens. This is MUCH less so in
- planning an op.
-
- -Andy V.
-