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- From: damiel@netcom.com (Paul Theodoropoulos)
- Newsgroups: rec.guns
- Subject: Re: Glock 10mm and CHP
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.185047.7416@netcom.com>
- Date: 27 Jan 93 04:56:07 GMT
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- In <MAILQUEUE-101.930126081318.288@english.as.ua.edu> DHORTON@ENGLISH.AS.UA.EDU (David A. Horton) writes:
- #I heard a similar story about the Glock trials with the CHP --
- #apparently Glock sent a shipment of something like 500 pistols to the
- #CHP for evaluation. Upon arrival the armorers disassembled the
- #pistols to see if the met certain criteria and tossed them aside.
- #Emphasis on "tossed them aside" into a pile of Glock parts. Didn't
- #bother to clean them.
-
- this did not take place. the CHP trials took place while the Glock
- 10mm was still under development. they were given a few *prototypes*,
- for evaluation of design and ergonomics. they were specifically
- instructed that these were not the final production model, and were
- not suitable for evaluation of durability, etc.. The CHP ignored this
- stipulation and went ahead and torture tested them. they failed, as
- one could expect from a not yet fully wrung out prototype.
-
- #When the time for evaluation rolled around they simply assembled the
- #Glocks out of the pile of parts at random. This was also done with
- #the S&Ws. Apparently, the Glocks were much more "sensitive" to this
- #mis-matching of parts than the S&Ws were. The Glocks typically
- #experienced frame cracks more often than the S&Ws did, but it wasn't
- #uncommon for a Smith to fail in some other respect, i.e, a broken
- #extractor, firing pin, etc.
-
- Glocks are *less* sensitive to random part mixing than equivalent
- firearms. this of course applies to *production* firearms, not to
- prototypes that have been torture tested.
-
- #I seem to recall that once the 10mm had been ruled out as a round due
- #to its heavy recoil and the 40 was accepted, the S&W 4006 that made
- #the 5000 round mark had a problem with a "creeping" firing pin. The
- #pin would work itself loose and had to be pushed back in with a
- #finger so testing could resume. While not ruled a product failure (
- #she kept on spitting out lead), it finally broke somewhere around
- #5200 rounds I think. Glock, as I understood it, had to scramble to
- #design a pistol capable of firing the 40 S&W and as such was
- #handicapped from a R&D perspective.
-
- i may be mistaken, but i thought that Glock brought their 40S&W to
- market *before* smith and wesson! unfortunately, my copy of Peter
- Kasler's book on the Glock is on loaner to a friend, so i can't look
- it up. time to call my friend and get my book back!!
-
- the CHP tests were gravely biased against the Glock.
- --
- paul theodoropoulos damiel@netcom.com (hooools@well.sf.ca.us)
-
- "Those who lack the courage will always find a philosophy to justify it."
- -Albert Camus
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