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- From: asbestos@nwu.edu (Michael A. Atkinson)
- Newsgroups: rec.guns,talk.politics.guns
- Subject: DEFENSE Re: Self defense hypothetical
- Message-ID: <1993Jan27.030633.26856@news.acns.nwu.edu>
- Date: 27 Jan 93 04:56:11 GMT
- Sender: magnum@mimsy.umd.edu
- Followup-To: talk.politics.guns
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- [MODERATOR: Well, I think what Mike writes is fodder for t.p.g., and I
- should be true to our charter and redirect. But he gives a valid response
- to a valid question that appeared here previously, so I'll put this one in
- here, and definitely move to t.p.g. on followup.....]
-
- lairdb@crash.cts.com writes:
-
- <Snip-O-Matic>
-
- #I would have to guess that the originator might mean a situation where
- #perhaps the act *was* self defense, but the being-armed was unlawful.
-
- I believe that almost every so called "gun control" law is clearly
- unconstitutional (and if you want to remark on THAT, send it to my
- mailbox), and yet, I find no urge to be a test case. I live in Evanscum,
- a Soviet of the People's Republic of Illinois, and it is not legal for me
- to own or carry any firearm. I will not carry a firearm here without
- really sufficient cause, which I fortunatly don't have. If such a cause
- presented itself, I'd move, B.S. in Education and Social Policy be damned!
-
- #Suppose Our Protagonist is in D.C., and has chosen with full knowlege
- #of the law to own and carry a firearm (both unlawful in D.C.) He is
- #attacked by a PCP crazed, strung-out, 6 foot 8 bodybuilder wielding
- #a blood spattered machete screaming "You're next! Ah ha ha ha ha!"
- #(let there be no ambiguity in our example.) Our Protagonist draws,
- #says appropriate things, and finally fires. It takes two A-zone hits
- #to stop the assailant. It's dark, no one is about (except Our
- #Protagonist and Mr. Leaking-on-the-ground.) Now what?
-
- I would recommend Our Protaganist to move out of D.C.
-
- Assuming that there is good and sufficient cause to live in D.C. (and I'd
- sooner carry an pistol in the PRI), and that OP is an otherwise law abiding
- and conscientious firearms owner (let's say that s/he's a graduate of LFI
- or equivalent)...
-
- I myself would still be inclined to wait for the police. I'd rather face
- the certainty of charges of unlawful carry, or whatever, than the
- possibility that Sarah Brady videotaped the damn thing and I stand charges
- for murder (She'd only tape the part of me shooting, of course...).
-
- I also think that it is a better moral position to call the police after
- the shooting.
-
- I would also find it difficult to hold it against somebody that picked up
- their brass and split.
-
- (But I would find it impossible to find a non-violent non-felon guilty of
- ANYTHING in this situation, if I were on his jury.)
-
- #(As I wrote this, I got more and more curious about what people's
- #opinions are on this and similar: imagine any typical example situation
- #in which O.P. fires (returns fire?) such as a mugging, carjacking,
- #etc. Is there a point or situation in which O.P. chooses to collect
- #his brass and vanish?)
-
- Like I said, I don't believe there is a situation in that I would do this.
-
- #(Disclaimers out the wazoo, of course....)
-
- No kidding!
-
-
-
- Mike
- --
- Michael A. Atkinson | "Macintoy" is Copyright (c)1992 by
- asbestos@nwu.edu | Chaos Organization.
-
- A Libertarian and an NRA member.
-
-