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- From: callison@kittyhawk.ecn.uoknor.edu (James P. Callison)
- Newsgroups: rec.guns
- Subject: Re: home protection concerns
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- Date: 22 Jan 93 14:08:23 GMT
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- In article <JANECZKO.93Jan20222918@csd630a.erim.org> janeczko@csd630a.erim.org (Mike Janeczko) writes:
- #I recently bought a S&W model 686 (i.e. Stainless steel 6" .357) for both
- #protection and hunting. I was talking with my father about loads to keep
- #around the house for protection. He said definetly use factory loads. His
- #reason was that if by chance you end up killing a perp. with a handloaded
- #cartridge, the prosecuting lawyer might portray you using excessive force.
- #His reasoning might be that necessary force could have been carried out
- #with factory load (i.e. non-maximum loads). This also got me thinking about
- #the caliber of the gun also being considered as excessive force? Has there
- #been any cases involving this?
-
- I seriously doubt this; if I remember, I'll check Westlaw and Lexis tomorrow
- for possible cites.
- Factory loads are, in point of fact, often more powerful than handloads.
- Cor-bons are specifically designed to provide high velocities and energies;
- the PMC factory 240gr. TCSP .44Magnum is by far the hottest pistol load
- I've ever shot (it leaves the muzzle at 1300fps, 900ft-lbs of energy). (You
- T/C Contender owners shut up. :-) Quite frequently, people actually load
- ammo _down_ from maximum loads--it provides better accuracy and makes the
- gun much more controllable. That's why target loads kick much less than
- full-house loads; they're specifically downloaded. I can't see the caliber
- making any difference at all; the .357Magnum, while a fair piece more
- powerful than most handgun cartridges, is nobbut a baby in the Wonderful
- World of Magnum Pistols(tm). Put it up against a .44Magnum, or a .41Magnum,
- or a .50AE, and you'll see just how undersized it really is in the world
- of Real Guns(tm). If you're really worried about this, use
- Cor-bon +P .38Spl instead of .357Mag. You'll get acceptable performance,
- and the defense of factory ammo, if you want.
-
- #Another point my father made that I guess makes sense is that when loading a
- #clip (doesn't apply in my case, at least not yet :-) you should
- #"fingerprint-proof" your bullets. This can be done by loading the clip with a
- #glove on or use a towel when loading. This gives one less piece of evidence
- #tieing you to the gun. It may not help, but why give the prosecutor any kind
- #of edge.
-
- Fingerprint proof your bullets? Why in God's name would you do that? You
- can't recover fingerprints from a fired bullet, and, unless you just
- shot someone illegally, there's no need to worry. Besides, forensics labs
- don't need the fingerprints off the cases; the gun leaves its own
- "fingerprint" on the case and bullet. The only thing you gain by loading
- with gloves on is avoiding getting excess body oil on the bullets;
- excess oil is detrimental to primers, and, if ammo is handled enough, you'll
- run a much higher risk of misfires due to primer contamination.
-
- The only people who need to worry about fingerprint-proofing their guns
- are people who use them to commit crimes. If you shoot someone in
- self-defense, you're still going to have the gun with you when the
- police arrive (witholding evidence is a crime, too), and they'll get
- all the answers they need from the boys down in forensics if you don't
- give them to the investigators. (Which, as has been suggested, you
- should do with counsel present.) I guess I just don't understand the
- reasoning behind this...it seems like a monumental waste of time
- and energy for no gain, and potential increased loss.
-
- James
-
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- DISCLAIMER: I'm not an engineer, but I play one at work...
- "God didn't make men and women equal. Colonel Colt did."
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