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- From: aland@informix.com (Colonel Panic)
- Newsgroups: rec.autos
- Subject: Re: Honda expectation management
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.055012.9491@informix.com>
- Date: 26 Jan 93 05:50:12 GMT
- References: <ELI.93Jan20092614@glare.cisco.com> <1993Jan21.041226.16376@informix.com> <ELI.93Jan21085011@glare.cisco.com>
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- Organization: Helen Keller Bondurant's Performance Driving School for the Blind
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- In article <ELI.93Jan21085011@glare.cisco.com> eli@cisco.com (Steve Elias) writes:
- >good luck with it!
- >do you pay sick amounts for insurance for the Probe GT?
-
- Not at all. Adding the Probe GT (fully loaded) costs me an additional $85
- per 6 months. (The MX-6 LS would have cost and additional $175 per year.)
- (The Saturn SC, in contrast, would have cost an extra $46 per year!)
-
- > None of the 7 Hondas bought new in my family in the last 11 years qualifies.
- > Three ate one or both front rotors, for example.
- >
- >hmm. that sounds suspiciously like normal wear and tear,
- >for someone who uses the brakes a lot (city driving?).
-
- "Normal wear and tear" to eat rotors within 30K? Are you NUTS?! Man, them
- Honda dealers really have you under their spell. I've got 115K on my Toyota
- Celica GT-S with 4-wheel disks, all *original* rotors. Maybe, if you
- drive bumper-to-bumper traffic on a steep hill every day, 30K would be
- "normal wear and tear", but we're talking level ground and mostly freeway
- driving. One of my AMC's ate one rotor at 70K, but that was caused by a frozen
- caliper -- otherwise, I've never had to replace a rotor on any of our cars
- (except the Hondas) before 80K or so.
-
- >i bet the dealer gave you grief on that one if you tried
- >to get it fixed under warranty though. or was it that they kept
- >getting warped. improperly torqued? whatever, point taken anyway.
-
- Nope -- that's the first thing I suspected on the first occurrence. All
- wheels kept properly torqued from then on.
-
- > >i bought 2 new GM products, each had thousands
- >
- > What year(s)? What models?
- >
- >85 Z28, 89 Z28. the 85 was more reliable, actually.
- >(it was carbed.) the 3rd gen f-body cars had the worst
- >reliability in all of GM, so i realize i was at the bottom
- >of GM's barrel with respect to reliability. that's why it
- >...
- >actually it does make a trend. a trend of 2.
-
- Your specific cases are hardly reflective of the complete GM product line,
- or American cars in general. (I always thought the Camaros and Trans Ams
- were comparative lemons, anyway.)
-
- > If your sole interest is anecdotal flamage, take this to email.
- >
- >no, no.
-