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- From: DPierce@world.std.com (Richard D Pierce)
- Subject: Bunk about Re: Speaker vent placement question
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- References: <C1FIoI.L9F@ecf.toronto.edu> <1993Jan26.054811.11559@udel.edu> <1993Jan27.074935.1713@nwnexus.WA.COM>
- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 19:01:07 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan27.074935.1713@nwnexus.WA.COM> Scott Rowin writes:
- >
- >Porting is best done at the rear, 180 degrees out of phase with the
- >cone,
-
- AAAARRRRGGGGHHHH!
-
- This has got to rank at the top of the nonsense scale! Okay, class, repeat
- after me:
-
- THE OUTPUT OF THE PORT IS IN-PHASE WITH THE WOOFER AT BOX RESONANCE NO
- MATTER WHERE YOU PUT THE DAMN PORT!
-
- PERIOD!
-
- >also the port should be moved up slightly so the woofer dosen't have
- >direct-firing through the port (middle or higher of the box).
-
- Nonsense! If that were true, then it would completely refute your claim
- that the rear is the best place. The combination of the mass of the air in
- the port and the compliance of the air in the enclosure combine to make a
- second-order low-pass filter whose cutoff frequency is the box resonance
- frequency, typically right above the speaker's lower end cutoff. The
- output of the port, therefore, will diminish at a rate of 12 dB per octave
- above that point.
-
- >The reason
- >for rear mounting? Front mounting could incur the infamous whisting effect
- >where rear mounting can eliminate some of that since it fires away from you.
-
- Why? The "whisting" [sic] effect is due to non-linearities in the port
- itself caused by excessive velocities inducing turbulence effects within
- the port. It makes no difference where the damn port is. Yeah, putting it
- the rear will reduce the amount of high-frequency effects that find their
- way to the listening position, but WHY NOT DESIGN THE PORT PROPERLY TO
- BEGIN WITH?
-
- >There's been many to argue on it, but I find that if you must front-mount
- >at least keep to mounting the port a decent distance from the cone so as
- >to eliminat coupling that can cause distortion.
-
- More unsubstantiated nonsense!
-
- Mutual coupling between the port and the woofer DOES NOT cause distortion.
- No more than the mutal coupling between multiple woofers or multiple
- ports. The mutual coupling is at any reasonable sound pressure level below
- the dissassociation of air molecules is a completely linear process and
- does not introduce any distortion products. It may have a minor influence
- on frequency response, and that influence may or may not be good. but it
- DOES NOT cause distortion.
-
- >The experts agree typically on rear-mounting ports
-
- What experts? Care to list the names of these experts and, by enumeration,
- prove your assertion the "the experts agree?" If you do, I'd wager you'd
- fail.
-
- >and the "bible" of loudspeaker design (Loudspeaker Cookbook) mentions rear
- >mounting as the optimum position.
-
- First, I don't think anyone, save yourself, considers Vance Dickason's
- "Loudspeaker Cookbook" the "bible" of loudspeaker design, inclusing Vance
- himself. It is a cookbook. Period. It has pre-cooked tables and cormulas
- that allow you to have a reasonable shot at getting a home-brew design
- working the first time. Period. As a cookbook, specifically targetted at
- amateur home builders, it's very good. As the definitive text on
- loudspeaker design, NOT! Vance graciously and correctly acknowledges a
- wide variety of design and theory articles written by a wide variety of
- experts, including me!
-
- Second, where does Dickason mention that rear mounting is optimal? The
- only passage I can find says the following in the narrow context of
- pipe-like resonance in vents:
-
- ".. pipe resonance usually only produce minor changes in driver
- response, and are typically difficult to separate from other
- driver response anomolies. Pipe resonances are extremely
- unpredictable and are generally dependent upon their location
- on the baffle, vent proximity to enclosure walls, and the
- location of damping material in the immediate vicinity of the
- vent. The rear of the cabinet is an alternative vent location.
- This will cause some change in low-end output, depending upon
- where the speaker is located in the room, but will tend to
- subdue the subjective imprtance of vent-related noise problems."
- V. Dickason, "Loudspeaker Design Cookbook," Fourth Edition,
- pp. 54-55, Audio Amateur Press, Peterborough, NH 1991
-
- Hardly an unambigous, ringing endorsement of rear-mounted vents as
- "optimum."
-
- You've made some pretty wild assertions here, unfortunately for you, all
- of which are completely testable and falsifiable, in the grand tradition
- of the scientific method. I thus challenge you to prove your assertions.
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